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rjamorim
post Dec 10 2003, 02:17
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Hello.

As I already mentioned here some times, I plan to conduce an MP3 @ 128kbps listening test in January.

The reason for the early discussion thread is that I'll travel for the holidays to a place with difficult internet connection. So, I'd rather have everything sorted out in advance because I can then start the test soon after I return.

So, here is what I am planning:

As usual, the test would run for 11 days, starting on a wednesday.

There would be 5 codecs and an anchor:

-Lame - --alt-preset 128
-FhG Audition Legacy Slow - VBR 60~70
-FhG Audition Current - VBR 60~70
-FhG Audioactive - 128kbps high quality
-iTunes - 128kbps
-Xing 128kbps as anchor

EDIT: Audition Legacy Slow -> Legacy Fast
Radium -> iTunes


Of course, these are open to debate and critics.

The sample suite would be the same as the 64kbps test. Again, if someone has some constructive criticism on it, speak out loud.

If things go as I plan, the test starts Jan 14th 2004 and ends Jan 25th.


Also, it's worth mentioning my future plans: in february, I plan to conduce another AAC@128kbps test, that would compare:

-Nero AAC
-Compaact
-Faac
-QuickTime
-NCTU-Faac (if they sort out their situation until then. Otherwise, I'll find something else)
-Anchor

And, in march, another multiformat test:

-AAC winner
-MP3 winner
-Vorbis GT3b2 or 1.0.1
-Musepack
-WMA standard
-Anchor

Please comment and give your ideas.

Best regards;

Roberto.

This post has been edited by rjamorim: Dec 10 2003, 06:01


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- rjamorim   MP3 at 128kbps public listening test   Dec 10 2003, 02:17
- - sthayashi   Roberto, I have a request for your 2nd test. Incl...   Dec 10 2003, 03:29
- - Mike Giacomelli   QUOTE -Lame - --alt-preset 128 -FhG Audition Legac...   Dec 10 2003, 03:29
- - elmar3rd   Well, I see the theoretical sense of a 128kbps-mp3...   Dec 10 2003, 04:01
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (sthayashi @ Dec 10 2003, 12:29 AM)Robe...   Dec 10 2003, 04:04
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (elmar3rd @ Dec 10 2003, 01:01 AM)Well,...   Dec 10 2003, 04:18
- - CosmoKramer   What about --alt-preset cbr 128? I for one would l...   Dec 10 2003, 04:47
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (CosmoKramer @ Dec 10 2003, 01:47 AM)Wh...   Dec 10 2003, 05:09
- - ff123   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 9 2003, 05:17 PM)-Lame ...   Dec 10 2003, 05:44
- - Cey   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 9 2003, 07:18 PM)OK. My...   Dec 10 2003, 05:46
- - Cey   QUOTE (ff123 @ Dec 9 2003, 08:44 PM)I agree t...   Dec 10 2003, 05:50
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (ff123 @ Dec 10 2003, 02:44 AM)I believ...   Dec 10 2003, 05:57
- - Todesengel   Someone tell me what is Anchor??? Is it new AAC en...   Dec 10 2003, 06:02
- - harashin   Ordinary people in Japan still prefers Gogo (2, 3)...   Dec 10 2003, 06:03
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Cey @ Dec 10 2003, 02:46 AM)Such as Mu...   Dec 10 2003, 06:15
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Todesengel @ Dec 10 2003, 03:02 AM)Som...   Dec 10 2003, 06:18
- - Cey   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 9 2003, 09:15 PM)QUOTE ...   Dec 10 2003, 06:27
- - westgroveg   I think LAME will perform better with ABR @ 128 s...   Dec 10 2003, 06:36
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Dec 10 2003, 03:36 AM)I w...   Dec 10 2003, 06:42
- - Cey   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 9 2003, 08:09 PM)QUOTE ...   Dec 10 2003, 06:51
- - rjamorim   Lame VBR doesn't work well at bitrates smaller...   Dec 10 2003, 06:52
- - harashin   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 10 2003, 02:18 PM)Well,...   Dec 10 2003, 07:17
- - Cey   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 9 2003, 09:42 PM)(And y...   Dec 10 2003, 07:43
- - magic75   Some of my opinions: I don't think all should...   Dec 10 2003, 09:27
- - magic75   QUOTE (Cey @ Dec 9 2003, 09:27 PM)I even got ...   Dec 10 2003, 09:32
- - danchr   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 10 2003, 05:09 AM)Opini...   Dec 10 2003, 10:09
- - bond   what about using mp3pro@64 as anchor for the mp3 t...   Dec 10 2003, 10:22
- - Gabriel   My opinion: *using Xing as low anchor seems to be...   Dec 10 2003, 10:59
- - SacRat   Agree with Gabriel on MP3 encoders. IMHO we should...   Dec 10 2003, 11:52
- - bond   i would test all codecs with abr, if a codec doesn...   Dec 10 2003, 12:01
- - Gabriel   QUOTE And if so, what settings would you suggest? ...   Dec 10 2003, 12:02
- - magic75   I can agree on skipping VBR since it is difficult ...   Dec 10 2003, 12:09
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (magic75 @ Dec 10 2003, 06:32 AM)I am n...   Dec 10 2003, 14:46
- - magic75   QUOTE OK. What FhG encoder, specifically? To be ho...   Dec 10 2003, 15:27
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 10 2003, 01:17 AM)There...   Dec 10 2003, 15:41
- - Gabriel   QUOTE So, which one you recommend, as a lame devel...   Dec 10 2003, 15:47
- - Gabriel   QUOTE i think you should include LAME -APS, cause ...   Dec 10 2003, 15:49
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (Gabriel @ Dec 10 2003, 02:49 PM)This i...   Dec 10 2003, 16:03
- - Yaztromo   Since we're targeting how well MP3 codecs perf...   Dec 10 2003, 16:13
- - sthayashi   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Dec 10 2003, 10:03 AM)QUOTE ...   Dec 10 2003, 16:13
- - KristianT   QUOTE The problem is that including both 3.94 (if ...   Dec 10 2003, 16:27
- - sthayashi   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 10 2003, 08:46 AM)QUOTE...   Dec 10 2003, 16:28
- - schnofler   QUOTE (magic75)- Lame 3.90.3 preset 128 (yes, ABR....   Dec 10 2003, 16:30
- - ff123   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 9 2003, 08:57 PM)I was ...   Dec 10 2003, 16:33
- - danchr   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Dec 10 2003, 04:03 PM)well, ...   Dec 10 2003, 16:40
- - Gabriel   QUOTE Gabriel is right on. Personally, I think the...   Dec 10 2003, 16:40
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (danchr @ Dec 10 2003, 03:40 PM)People ...   Dec 10 2003, 16:45
- - rpop   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 10 2003, 12:09 AM)QUOTE...   Dec 10 2003, 16:47
- - DigitalDictator   QUOTE i would test all codecs with abr, if a codec...   Dec 10 2003, 16:50
- - Continuum   QUOTE (schnofler @ Dec 10 2003, 04:30 PM)QUOT...   Dec 10 2003, 17:07
- - DigitalDictator   QUOTE I'm in favor of this. Making some VBR or...   Dec 10 2003, 17:21
- - ff123   QUOTE (Continuum @ Dec 10 2003, 08:07 AM)Add ...   Dec 10 2003, 17:30
- - Gabriel   Are we sure that Fastenc is better in vbr than cbr...   Dec 10 2003, 17:41
- - de Mon   So many candidates and I like almost all of them. ...   Dec 10 2003, 18:11
- - Gabriel   QUOTE 1. MPC I do not think that mpc would be a go...   Dec 10 2003, 18:18
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Dec 10 2003, 12:41 PM)i thin...   Dec 10 2003, 19:06
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (schnofler @ Dec 10 2003, 01:30 PM)I mo...   Dec 10 2003, 19:23
- - sthayashi   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 10 2003, 01:06 PM)QUOTE...   Dec 10 2003, 19:28
- - amano   I'd rather use Radium itself than Audioactive....   Dec 10 2003, 19:43
- - ff123   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 10 2003, 10:23 AM)Good ...   Dec 10 2003, 19:50
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (amano @ Dec 10 2003, 04:43 PM)The same...   Dec 10 2003, 20:12
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (Continuum @ Dec 10 2003, 04:07 PM)bYou...   Dec 10 2003, 20:27
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 10 2003, 06:06 PM)God, ...   Dec 10 2003, 20:28
- - Continuum   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Dec 10 2003, 08:27 PM)QUOTE ...   Dec 10 2003, 20:39
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Continuum @ Dec 10 2003, 05:39 PM)Yes...   Dec 10 2003, 20:56
- - jrp   There are quite a few 128k tests out there, but th...   Dec 10 2003, 22:19
- - fairyliquidizer   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 9 2003, 05:17 PM)-Lame ...   Dec 10 2003, 23:10
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (fairyliquidizer @ Dec 10 2003, 08:10 P...   Dec 10 2003, 23:14
- - jrp   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 10 2003, 02:14 PM)QUOTE...   Dec 10 2003, 23:55
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (jrp @ Dec 10 2003, 08:55 PM)I'm no...   Dec 11 2003, 00:14
- - jrp   Thanks. Helpful. [I can't claim golden ears,...   Dec 11 2003, 00:29
- - westgroveg   I think fastenc should be CBR to compare the quali...   Dec 11 2003, 07:18
- - frosty   I think the important thing that was brought up ea...   Dec 11 2003, 08:05
- - magic75   Ok, one last post from me about the CBR vs ABR iss...   Dec 11 2003, 08:16
- - Mike Giacomelli   Would you consider Gogo as well? I've heard a...   Dec 11 2003, 08:36
- - Gabriel   QUOTE Would you consider Gogo as well? I've he...   Dec 11 2003, 09:25
- - ff123   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Dec 10 2003, 10:18 PM)I t...   Dec 11 2003, 17:18
- - DigitalDictator   QUOTE I have no doubt that Gogo is worst than FhG ...   Dec 11 2003, 19:21
- - DigitalDictator   QUOTE QUOTE  I TOTALLY AGREE! OMG...   Dec 11 2003, 19:23
- - odious malefactor   Hmm... can't seem to get this quote thing to w...   Dec 11 2003, 19:26
- - odious malefactor   QUOTE (DigitalDictator @ Dec 11 2003, 10:21 A...   Dec 11 2003, 19:27
- - music_man_mpc   I was under the impression that it was a well know...   Dec 11 2003, 20:11
- - Mike Giacomelli   I've had people tell me 192 gogo sounds the sa...   Dec 11 2003, 20:16
- - music_man_mpc   OK I'll start testing right now.   Dec 11 2003, 20:19
- - mdmuir   Thinking about uploading a sample from one of my C...   Dec 11 2003, 21:00
- - music_man_mpc   Both encodes were very easy to tell from the origo...   Dec 11 2003, 21:14
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (music_man_mpc @ Dec 11 2003, 08:14 PM)...   Dec 11 2003, 23:08
- - rjamorim   OK, let me try to say this one more time: I won...   Dec 11 2003, 23:30
- - ff123   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Dec 11 2003, 02:08 PM)QUOTE ...   Dec 11 2003, 23:38
- - music_man_mpc   QUOTE (ff123 @ Dec 11 2003, 02:38 PM)Let...   Dec 12 2003, 03:30
- - westgroveg   QUOTE If anybody has the iTunes encoder, try encod...   Dec 12 2003, 06:41
- - rjamorim   And here is the iTunes encode: http://pessoal.onda...   Dec 12 2003, 06:54
- - harashin   QUOTE     * From: Bill Kincaid   ...   Dec 12 2003, 07:05
- - ff123   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Dec 11 2003, 09:41 PM)Cur...   Dec 12 2003, 07:10
- - rjamorim   Thanks for the info, harashin Edit: I think Har...   Dec 12 2003, 07:11
- - ff123   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 11 2003, 10:11 PM)Thank...   Dec 12 2003, 07:38
- - westgroveg   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Dec 12 2003, 06:11 PM)Thank...   Dec 12 2003, 07:43
- - ff123   And just for fun, here are the listening results s...   Dec 12 2003, 07:44
- - ff123   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Dec 11 2003, 10:43 PM)Bot...   Dec 12 2003, 07:52
- - westgroveg   Just to be sure I used your abchr (first time), f...   Dec 12 2003, 08:14
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