Compare for yourself: Vinyl vs. CD
Compare for yourself: Vinyl vs. CD
Apr 1 2003, 07:37
ABC/HR developer, ff123.net admin
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This is from a message I just posted to uk.rec.audio and rec.audio.opinion:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:53:58 GMT, Moi <zis_guy@NOxSPAMMxhotmail.com>
>This one is from Peter Kater's "Gateway" ca. 1988 (Gaia/Polygram
>Records). This one may in fact exist on CD, so somebody may be able
>to check perceived speed stability and etc. against the CD. The song
>is from side 1, track 2 titled "Talk Back."
>This one was also most likely recorded to digital before pressing the
>LP, and I'm not responsible for any possible digital ugliness you may
>Wish I could post longer samples, but space and downloading time
>constraints prevent it. As again, this one is about 3.5MB in size,
>and requires the LPAC decoder, available here:
>The sample itself can be downloaded here:
I changed the link to point to my server to remove the bandwidth load
from Moi's site.
Moi described his setup in an earlier message: TD-160/M97xE/Technics
I purchased the 1988 CD version of this album (< $10 used) and ripped
the same section as Moi's sample.
I time aligned it as best I could. The sample is about 34 seconds
long. The vinyl version takes about 60 msec longer to complete than
the CD version, so the speed accuracy of the turntable is about 0.2%
on the slow side if the CD can be considered the reference.
I applied -0.43 dB to the left channel of the CD version, and +0.26 dB
to the right channel. The volume was compared with the vinyl version
via average RMS. WavGain (which uses David Robinson's replaygain
algorithm) gives about the same answer as average RMS.
I applied a linear fadeout to about the last 4 seconds of the sample
to approximate what Moi had done with his sample.
I won't say what I hear just yet. If you think the difference is
sufficiently subtle to warrant the use of a double-blind tool, visit
one of the following sites:
Edit: Oops, I think I posted this to the wrong forum
This post has been edited by ff123: Apr 1 2003, 07:41
Apr 2 2003, 15:08
Joined: 5-February 02
From: Seattle WA. USA
Member No.: 1261
QUOTE (budgie @ Apr 2 2003 - 05:44 AM)
QUOTE (fewtch @ Apr 1 2003 - 11:43 PM)
P.S... surely you must admit, there's a big catalog of music that was never released on CD... so why not listen to both? IMHO it's an excellent reason to listen to vinyl if you like that older stuff (which are often closer to the master tapes than 'remastered' CD's), and records are cheap too. I've discovered a lot of "lost" music, plenty of gems that the RIAA never saw profit in re-releasing on CD.
I don't own music simultaneously on LPs and CDs; the older releases I have on LPs and newer on CDs... but the CDs go back only to early 90's, when they really started to sound reasonably. A lot of CDs I got are the golden ones from DCC and MFSL (from the original masters) and JVC's jazz XRCDs. Anytime I get the possibility to listen to a CD-title I have on LP I listen to it and then I decide if I keep on having the LP or change it for CD... So I have a lot of remasters or Japan-imported disks, which sound really good. A lot of doesn't, though.
About donating - although I am definitely not a Salvation Army member, if I'm going to do something like this, then I get you on the top of my list - I mean it...
Hey, I appreciate it . It might be a bit expensive to ship from Europe to the USA, but if some were LP's I've been looking for (perhaps hard to find in the USA), it would be worth it.
Bring back dynamic range... www.loudnessrace.net
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