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CD masters rejected for vinyl production, Split from Topic ID: 99623 (TOS #5)
pisymbol
post Feb 27 2013, 23:52
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Even though I'm walking into a complete flame fest....I would to state something for reaction...

As I understand it, its common practice to use the same master for both CD and vinyl. Cost is the mitigating factor most of the time.

HOWEVER, given the "Loudness War" and the absolutely crappy sounding masters due to hyper compressed music, a lot of labels will not master the vinyl from the original Redbook one, but create a new one that is significantly less compressed. Has nothing to do with bitrate or "analog vs digital" arguments...

And in fact I spoke with one particular label who submitted the original CD master which was rejected by the engineer who is responsible for the vinyl release. He subsequently lowered the amount of DRC applied before sending it to press. This is not unheard of and IMO, one of the key reasons why vinyl can and DOES sound better than CD from time to time. Typically its because the Redbook master was done by an amateur, and the vinyl one was done by a professional.

I also have another example of DDA file getting screwed up and the engineer sending the CD directly to the label for press. Worked just fine that way (there was no LP release).
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db1989
post Mar 25 2013, 10:19
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I note how youíre able to reel off another bunch of meaningless statistics but not to actually respond to what people have said about the inaccuracy of your claims that vinyl or post-CD digital media are intrinsically superior to CD in an audible sense. Thatís keeping in mind the total difference between those two things, as greynol noted, which makes your conflation of them seem a bit too much like a diversionary tactic to me, as if the off-topic replies didnít perform that role already. None of this is helping to advance your original point. Again, and as greynol has also already said before, are you going to participate in the discussion, or are you just going to keep throwing up road-blocks and hope we donít notice?

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post Mar 26 2013, 05:03
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QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 25 2013, 10:19) *
I note how youíre able to reel off another bunch of meaningless statistics but not to actually respond to what people have said about the inaccuracy of your claims that vinyl or post-CD digital media are intrinsically superior to CD in an audible sense. Thatís keeping in mind the total difference between those two things, as greynol noted, which makes your conflation of them seem a bit too much like a diversionary tactic to me, as if the off-topic replies didnít perform that role already. None of this is helping to advance your original point. Again, and as greynol has also already said before, are you going to participate in the discussion, or are you just going to keep throwing up road-blocks and hope we donít notice?


I was just simply answer a question one guy had, I never said mp3's were superior to CD's. I prefer buying used CD's on amazon and ripping them into iTunes. I do use this program called "bit perfect" that sets your computers digital out to match the bits in the song on iTunes and noticed it was setting my computer at 24 bits and 44.1 kHz for new iTunes tracks. Can an mp3 or AAC audio file be 24 bits? This would allow more steps in the final product over 16 bit. What is a good source to find out quality of master recordings for either vinyl or CD's?
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post Mar 26 2013, 06:29
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QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 25 2013, 21:03) *
What is a good source to find out quality of master recordings for either vinyl or CD's?

Why don't you tell us? I mean you must have had some basis when you posted the following:
QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 16 2013, 13:01) *
A vinyl record has limited volume variations based on the master recording which is usually 24 bit by 196 kHz

The rest of your post was off-topic. Any and all attempts to address it will be binned with warnings likely being issued.

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- pisymbol   CD masters rejected for vinyl production   Feb 27 2013, 23:52
- - db1989   QUOTE (pisymbol @ Feb 27 2013, 22:52) HOW...   Feb 28 2013, 00:14
|- - pisymbol   You bring up a good point and that's very true...   Feb 28 2013, 01:47
||- - db1989   QUOTE (pisymbol @ Feb 28 2013, 00:47) QUO...   Feb 28 2013, 19:16
||- - pisymbol   I suggest you go back re-read my statements again ...   Feb 28 2013, 22:25
|- - pisymbol   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 27 2013, 18:14) QUOTE...   Feb 28 2013, 13:48
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (pisymbol @ Feb 28 2013, 07:48) Whi...   Feb 28 2013, 17:46
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 28 2013, 16:46) An...   Mar 1 2013, 10:42
|||- - pisymbol   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 1 2013, 04:42) QUO...   Mar 1 2013, 16:25
|||- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 1 2013, 04:42) QUO...   Mar 1 2013, 16:47
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 28 2013, 11:46) An...   Mar 1 2013, 21:27
||- - paul46   QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 28 2013, 17:46) QU...   Mar 16 2013, 21:01
||- - krabapple   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 16 2013, 16:01) Digit...   Mar 16 2013, 23:42
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (pisymbol @ Feb 28 2013, 07:48) Whi...   Feb 28 2013, 23:36
- - greynol   ...assuming they have access to it.   Feb 28 2013, 02:30
- - greynol   Just as annoying is that the expectation bias that...   Feb 28 2013, 18:01
- - db1989   Perhaps I would interpret the points in question d...   Feb 28 2013, 22:49
- - db1989   Except no, because you blatantly have no understan...   Mar 16 2013, 21:19
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 16 2013, 21:19) Excep...   Mar 16 2013, 22:33
|- - paul46   QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 16 2013, 22:33) QUOTE...   Mar 17 2013, 05:45
|- - greynol   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 16 2013, 21:45) I tho...   Mar 17 2013, 06:25
- - LithosZA   QUOTE Digital has potential to perform better than...   Mar 16 2013, 21:20
|- - paul46   QUOTE (LithosZA @ Mar 16 2013, 21:20) QUO...   Mar 24 2013, 17:19
|- - db1989   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 24 2013, 16:19) Isn...   Mar 24 2013, 18:39
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 24 2013, 18:39) QUOTE...   Mar 25 2013, 00:44
|- - paul46   QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 25 2013, 00:44) QUOTE...   Mar 25 2013, 03:44
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 25 2013, 02:44) ... 8...   Mar 25 2013, 10:25
- - db1989   Donít get me wrong: everyone has misconceptions, l...   Mar 16 2013, 22:45
|- - greynol   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 16 2013, 14:45) QUOTE...   Mar 17 2013, 00:56
- - Engelsstaub   I think if anyone's truly interested in the bi...   Mar 17 2013, 04:44
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Mar 16 2013, 20:44) ...   Mar 17 2013, 06:37
||- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 16 2013, 23:37) QUOT...   Mar 17 2013, 07:44
||- - Porcus   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Mar 17 2013, 07:44) ...   Mar 17 2013, 10:38
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Mar 16 2013, 20:44) ...   Mar 17 2013, 08:09
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 17 2013, 01:09) ...T...   Mar 17 2013, 08:53
- - greynol   Let's keep in mind that 24/96 and 24/192 is ch...   Mar 17 2013, 08:02
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE I thought compact discs are limited to aroun...   Mar 17 2013, 08:42
|- - db1989   QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Mar 17 2013, 07:42) QUOT...   Mar 17 2013, 13:36
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 17 2013, 12:36) This ...   Mar 19 2013, 15:52
|- - greynol   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 19 2013, 07:52) Wi...   Mar 19 2013, 16:14
- - [JAZ]   Isn't this the perfect example where to show M...   Mar 17 2013, 10:49
- - db1989   On-sample, yes, but not every bit of the signal; r...   Mar 19 2013, 18:36
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 19 2013, 17:36) On-sa...   Mar 21 2013, 11:30
|- - db1989   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 21 2013, 10:30) QU...   Mar 21 2013, 13:39
- - greynol   Not unless someone can demonstrate it in a careful...   Mar 24 2013, 17:33
- - greynol   Lest we forget, the discussion is not about Blu-ra...   Mar 25 2013, 04:39
- - db1989   I note how youíre able to reel off another bunch o...   Mar 25 2013, 10:19
- - paul46   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 25 2013, 10:19) I not...   Mar 26 2013, 05:03
- - greynol   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 25 2013, 21:03) What ...   Mar 26 2013, 06:29


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