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pisymbol
post Feb 27 2013, 23:52
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Even though I'm walking into a complete flame fest....I would to state something for reaction...

As I understand it, its common practice to use the same master for both CD and vinyl. Cost is the mitigating factor most of the time.

HOWEVER, given the "Loudness War" and the absolutely crappy sounding masters due to hyper compressed music, a lot of labels will not master the vinyl from the original Redbook one, but create a new one that is significantly less compressed. Has nothing to do with bitrate or "analog vs digital" arguments...

And in fact I spoke with one particular label who submitted the original CD master which was rejected by the engineer who is responsible for the vinyl release. He subsequently lowered the amount of DRC applied before sending it to press. This is not unheard of and IMO, one of the key reasons why vinyl can and DOES sound better than CD from time to time. Typically its because the Redbook master was done by an amateur, and the vinyl one was done by a professional.

I also have another example of DDA file getting screwed up and the engineer sending the CD directly to the label for press. Worked just fine that way (there was no LP release).
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LithosZA
post Mar 16 2013, 21:20
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Digital has potential to perform better than vinyl but currently the CD format is 16 bit by 44.1 kHz which allows for only sixty five thousand different volume levels. A vinyl record has limited volume variations based on the master recording which is usually 24 bit by 196 kHz with millions of volume variations. Someone needs to bring that kind of quality to the consumer and then vinyl would be surpassed.

CD already surpasses vinyl. 24bit/196Khz doesn't make any audible difference in audio quality. 16bit/44.1Khz is enough for music unless somebody can prove otherwise.
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post Mar 24 2013, 17:19
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Digital has potential to perform better than vinyl but currently the CD format is 16 bit by 44.1 kHz which allows for only sixty five thousand different volume levels. A vinyl record has limited volume variations based on the master recording which is usually 24 bit by 196 kHz with millions of volume variations. Someone needs to bring that kind of quality to the consumer and then vinyl would be surpassed.

CD already surpasses vinyl. 24bit/196Khz doesn't make any audible difference in audio quality. 16bit/44.1Khz is enough for music unless somebody can prove otherwise.


Isn't the audio track on blu-ray movies higher quality than CD's? Why?
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post Mar 24 2013, 18:39
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Isn't the audio track on blu-ray movies higher quality than CD's? Why?
It will have a higher resolution. It is highly unlikely to be of audible higher quality in a comparison between properly produced Blu-ray and CDDA versions of the same master of the same material. Bigger numbers donít mean anything for audible quality. Talk of quality is irrelevant beyond the threshold of transparency for any given combination of material and user. Once you canít discern between a stream and its original source (e.g. master), thatís 100% quality as far as audibility is concerned, and big numbers arenít relevant at all. Donít be fooled into believing they are by marketing or subjective reports from highly impressionable users elsewhere.
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- pisymbol   CD masters rejected for vinyl production   Feb 27 2013, 23:52
- - db1989   QUOTE (pisymbol @ Feb 27 2013, 22:52) HOW...   Feb 28 2013, 00:14
|- - pisymbol   You bring up a good point and that's very true...   Feb 28 2013, 01:47
||- - db1989   QUOTE (pisymbol @ Feb 28 2013, 00:47) QUO...   Feb 28 2013, 19:16
||- - pisymbol   I suggest you go back re-read my statements again ...   Feb 28 2013, 22:25
|- - pisymbol   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 27 2013, 18:14) QUOTE...   Feb 28 2013, 13:48
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (pisymbol @ Feb 28 2013, 07:48) Whi...   Feb 28 2013, 17:46
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 28 2013, 16:46) An...   Mar 1 2013, 10:42
|||- - pisymbol   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 1 2013, 04:42) QUO...   Mar 1 2013, 16:25
|||- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 1 2013, 04:42) QUO...   Mar 1 2013, 16:47
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 28 2013, 11:46) An...   Mar 1 2013, 21:27
||- - paul46   QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 28 2013, 17:46) QU...   Mar 16 2013, 21:01
||- - krabapple   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 16 2013, 16:01) Digit...   Mar 16 2013, 23:42
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (pisymbol @ Feb 28 2013, 07:48) Whi...   Feb 28 2013, 23:36
- - greynol   ...assuming they have access to it.   Feb 28 2013, 02:30
- - greynol   Just as annoying is that the expectation bias that...   Feb 28 2013, 18:01
- - db1989   Perhaps I would interpret the points in question d...   Feb 28 2013, 22:49
- - db1989   Except no, because you blatantly have no understan...   Mar 16 2013, 21:19
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 16 2013, 21:19) Excep...   Mar 16 2013, 22:33
|- - paul46   QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 16 2013, 22:33) QUOTE...   Mar 17 2013, 05:45
|- - greynol   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 16 2013, 21:45) I tho...   Mar 17 2013, 06:25
- - LithosZA   QUOTE Digital has potential to perform better than...   Mar 16 2013, 21:20
|- - paul46   QUOTE (LithosZA @ Mar 16 2013, 21:20) QUO...   Mar 24 2013, 17:19
|- - db1989   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 24 2013, 16:19) Isn...   Mar 24 2013, 18:39
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 24 2013, 18:39) QUOTE...   Mar 25 2013, 00:44
|- - paul46   QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 25 2013, 00:44) QUOTE...   Mar 25 2013, 03:44
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 25 2013, 02:44) ... 8...   Mar 25 2013, 10:25
- - db1989   Donít get me wrong: everyone has misconceptions, l...   Mar 16 2013, 22:45
|- - greynol   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 16 2013, 14:45) QUOTE...   Mar 17 2013, 00:56
- - Engelsstaub   I think if anyone's truly interested in the bi...   Mar 17 2013, 04:44
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Mar 16 2013, 20:44) ...   Mar 17 2013, 06:37
||- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 16 2013, 23:37) QUOT...   Mar 17 2013, 07:44
||- - Porcus   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Mar 17 2013, 07:44) ...   Mar 17 2013, 10:38
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Mar 16 2013, 20:44) ...   Mar 17 2013, 08:09
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 17 2013, 01:09) ...T...   Mar 17 2013, 08:53
- - greynol   Let's keep in mind that 24/96 and 24/192 is ch...   Mar 17 2013, 08:02
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE I thought compact discs are limited to aroun...   Mar 17 2013, 08:42
|- - db1989   QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Mar 17 2013, 07:42) QUOT...   Mar 17 2013, 13:36
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 17 2013, 12:36) This ...   Mar 19 2013, 15:52
|- - greynol   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 19 2013, 07:52) Wi...   Mar 19 2013, 16:14
- - [JAZ]   Isn't this the perfect example where to show M...   Mar 17 2013, 10:49
- - db1989   On-sample, yes, but not every bit of the signal; r...   Mar 19 2013, 18:36
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 19 2013, 17:36) On-sa...   Mar 21 2013, 11:30
|- - db1989   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 21 2013, 10:30) QU...   Mar 21 2013, 13:39
- - greynol   Not unless someone can demonstrate it in a careful...   Mar 24 2013, 17:33
- - greynol   Lest we forget, the discussion is not about Blu-ra...   Mar 25 2013, 04:39
- - db1989   I note how youíre able to reel off another bunch o...   Mar 25 2013, 10:19
- - paul46   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 25 2013, 10:19) I not...   Mar 26 2013, 05:03
- - greynol   QUOTE (paul46 @ Mar 25 2013, 21:03) What ...   Mar 26 2013, 06:29


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