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Scale the Summit's "Master" Fail, Ths is what we can expect now, I guess.
Engelsstaub
post Feb 22 2013, 22:42
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I (thankfully) don't listen to this band but I have Prosthetic Records on my Facebook due to a few others on their roster that I appreciate.

Here's a screenshot of what these dumbasses submitted to the label as their "master." Is anyone else shocked that any record company would accept this as normal?



...I guess we can expect this sort of "professionalism" from the recording industry these days.


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post Feb 26 2013, 04:00
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QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 25 2013, 06:42) *
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Thanks for snubbing me stubby and trying to cherry pick experts. I happen to be a professional recordist who has been working with church and educational groups for decades. I still remember the days of vinyl. I've been in and out of mastering and vinyl cutting facilities since the days when vinyl is all we had. You are clearly inconvenienced by my personal knowledge of this matter.
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I can assure you that, in spite of those little "dot,dot,dots" I used to shorten the quotation, I read your postings in their entirety.

Regarding your first sentence that I quoted; I have no idea what that even means. Was I cherry-picking experts? The only "expert statement" I had to quote was that of the record company in question. Seems appropriate to me.

I am not "clearly inconvenienced by (your) personal knowledge of this matter." I was inconvenienced by the completely uncalled for and condescending manner in which you replied. I'm past that now...it's ok.

Speaking of your personal knowledge (heretofore unknown to me) where in all of that irrelevant and immaterial reply about how bad you think vinyl is can I find your anecdotes about how often a Redbook CD-R has been used for pressing vinyl?

You even quoted another member saying with regards to pressing from such a source "This actually happens all the time. And so much for those who say the vinyl sounds better. (well it may sound different, but that's another subject)."

"This actually happens all the time" is a pretty sweeping statement and I called bullshit. You can +1 Google-style all day long but until someone can back such a statement up it remains in the realm of bullshit from someone who said it always happens as if they know. I reasonably asked for any credible indication that this is true in the face of what little I have from just one record co. that claims otherwise. Nobody has even attempted to back it up. ...until such time as one can reasonably demonstrate this then bullshit it is.


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QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 25 2013, 22:00) *
"This actually happens all the time" is a pretty sweeping statement and I called bullshit. You can +1 Google-style all day long but until someone can back such a statement up it remains in the realm of bullshit from someone who said it always happens as if they know.


In the above sentence we see "This actually happens all the time" (in US English idiom meaning it happens very often) transmorgified into "it always happens". Sorry for speaking in my native idiom, what you interpreted is not what I meant to say.

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I reasonably asked for any credible indication that this is true in the face of what little I have from just one record co. that claims otherwise.


I explained to you why its hard to do better, and after watching this thread spin on for a while, I see that as expected nobody can do better because its simply that difficult to find out.

BTW your record company is hardly a household name while the record company that was paying the bills for much of the work I related was Motown.

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Nobody has even attempted to back it up. ...until such time as one can reasonably demonstrate this then bullshit it is.


Until you've done better yourself, then you are indicting yourself.

BTW, the technical statements you misrepresented as just my personal opinions are easily backed up with referreed papers in the IEEE and AES transaction. Or, just get your hands dirty and transcribe any of the goodly number of test LPs that are available onto digital and measure the capabilities of the format for yourself. Just guessing, but I suspect that doing the lab work or even just interpreting the technical papers would be well beyond your competence with audio technology, as basic chores as they are.

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post Feb 27 2013, 23:06
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QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 27 2013, 09:22) *
QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 25 2013, 22:00) *
"This actually happens all the time" is a pretty sweeping statement and I called bullshit. You can +1 Google-style all day long but until someone can back such a statement up it remains in the realm of bullshit from someone who said it always happens as if they know.


In the above sentence we see "This actually happens all the time" (in US English idiom meaning it happens very often) transmorgified into "it always happens". Sorry for speaking in my native idiom, what you interpreted is not what I meant to say.

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Just guessing, but I suspect that doing the lab work or even just interpreting the technical papers would be well beyond your competence with audio technology, as basic chores as they are.


Regarding "this happens all the time:" that's strange what you're doing now...it wasn't even you that said it but now you're owning it as your own words? To give me a lesson in my native language?? Even if it happens most of the time or a lot of the time or much of the time it seems at odds with the only things presented here from modern record companies. That's pretty sparse thus far, but I quoted one and so did Kees de Visser.

"...nobody can do better because its simply that difficult to find out." (Now that you said.) That's a glaring contrast to "This happens all the time" whether the phrase is idiomatic or not. ...or is my English failing me again?

When Porcus calmly asked a moderator to explain his statement that "AFAIC, opinions about what constitutes professionalism from a non-professional should be dismissed." ...he was dismissed with a professional "YAWN." It's already evident that two of you can not be troubled to have a conversation with the little people here but this is the best one yet:

"...just interpreting the technical papers would be well beyond your competence with audio technology, as basic chores as they are." ...arrogance is one thing. My only response to this (since it's going unmoderated as well) is you can take your past psychoanalysis, present English-lesson, and this little morsel here and shove them. You must be a sad little man if you think you know people based on some internet comments. If I were to sit and pretend I know who you are and what you're capable of I'd first ask you if you even went outside yet today.


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- Engelsstaub   Scale the Summit's "Master" Fail   Feb 22 2013, 22:42
- - greynol   It's what's on the disc that matters, and ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:12
- - xnor   Nobody knows what's on the disc but the record...   Feb 22 2013, 23:20
- - DVDdoug   I'm not sure if there's anything wrong wit...   Feb 22 2013, 23:22
- - Engelsstaub   @ greynol: You don't have to guess, greynol. I...   Feb 22 2013, 23:26
|- - Glenn Gundlach   Why would you assume it's necessarily 44.1 ? I...   Feb 24 2013, 02:49
||- - greynol   QUOTE (Glenn Gundlach @ Feb 23 2013, 17:4...   Feb 24 2013, 17:12
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 14:26) ...   Feb 27 2013, 09:05
- - greynol   I think you're going to have a very hard time ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:31
|- - botface   It's a long time since I was involved in the m...   Feb 24 2013, 13:15
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (botface @ Feb 24 2013, 07:15) It...   Feb 24 2013, 14:00
- - Engelsstaub   Yeah, I'm not trying to play that "16 bit...   Feb 22 2013, 23:46
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 22:46) ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:59
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 22 2013, 22:59) If yo...   Feb 25 2013, 12:44
- - carpman   Do record companies expect 16 bit masters? 45 min...   Feb 22 2013, 23:47
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (carpman @ Feb 22 2013, 16:47) Do r...   Feb 22 2013, 23:53
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 14:53) ...   Feb 23 2013, 00:09
- - carpman   I just asked a question (and not directed at you)....   Feb 22 2013, 23:59
- - greynol   It's a master, FFS. At some point something w...   Feb 23 2013, 00:02
- - xnor   Audio CDs are 44.1/16, why would you give the reco...   Feb 23 2013, 00:27
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 22 2013, 16:59) ...Ot...   Feb 23 2013, 00:54
|- - xnor   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 00:54) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:05
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|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 15:54) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:05
- - Wombat   To me Master simply means final means ready for pr...   Feb 23 2013, 00:58
- - Engelsstaub   My belief is this: A Redbook CD is completely fin...   Feb 23 2013, 01:22
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|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 19:22) ...   Feb 23 2013, 22:18
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- - Engelsstaub   ...and...I'm done. Thanks.   Feb 23 2013, 02:52
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