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Scale the Summit's "Master" Fail, Ths is what we can expect now, I guess.
Engelsstaub
post Feb 22 2013, 22:42
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I (thankfully) don't listen to this band but I have Prosthetic Records on my Facebook due to a few others on their roster that I appreciate.

Here's a screenshot of what these dumbasses submitted to the label as their "master." Is anyone else shocked that any record company would accept this as normal?



...I guess we can expect this sort of "professionalism" from the recording industry these days.


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noiselab
post Feb 27 2013, 14:24
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To the first - I'm not really fussed about credentials to begin with, so I shouldn't have mentioned that part, sorry (Or is audio programming not considered audio engineering? oops). I meant to emphasize reasoned explanations, which I'm having a hard time finding from you or the label on why a cd source matters for vinyl.

You think the cd-r format, and anyhting less than 24/48, is unprofessional and odd, why? You think CD-sourced vinyls would shock people, and that it matters to you and label, why?
Only sensible answer I can think of is loss in audio quality. So cd vs vinyl seems pretty relevant. Or you're being arbitrary, which is self-defeating.

To the second - Those reasons do not include vinyl. Read it again, please with no selective reading lol ...and special emphasis on "no loss in sound quality, at least any that's of audible substance."
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post Feb 27 2013, 14:58
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QUOTE (noiselab @ Feb 27 2013, 07:24) *
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You think the cd-r format, and anyhting less than 24/48, is unprofessional and odd, why?...Only sensible answer I can think of is loss in audio quality. So cd vs vinyl seems pretty relevant. Or you're being arbitrary, which is self-defeating.

To the second - Those reasons do not include vinyl. Read it again, please with no selective reading lol ...and special emphasis on "no loss in sound quality, at least any that's of audible substance."


"It's true that 16 bit linear PCM audio does not quite cover the entire theoretical dynamic range of the human ear in ideal conditions. Also, there are (and always will be) reasons to use more than 16 bits in recording and production.

None of that is relevant to playback..."

The person you wanted me to read gave a very good reason to not produce a non-Redbook playback format from a source that he admits is less than ideal for production. Cutting records is not playback. ...and there's no reason not to use the theoretical best that you can.

If you want to start a topic about CD vs. Vinyl be my guest. This one has already been OT-crapped in enough. I'm tired of more than this and going to sleep. It's not you...you're just late to the party and it's already been crashed and turned into a huge drama fest. If you want to argue now I'm just going to say you're absolutely right tomorrow and move on. I've pretty much had it with one person in particular and judging by correspondence outside the thread, I can rest assured I"m not alone. That's not you and I apologize that you caught the tail-end of it.

Just start a new thread or something please.



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- Engelsstaub   Scale the Summit's "Master" Fail   Feb 22 2013, 22:42
- - greynol   It's what's on the disc that matters, and ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:12
- - xnor   Nobody knows what's on the disc but the record...   Feb 22 2013, 23:20
- - DVDdoug   I'm not sure if there's anything wrong wit...   Feb 22 2013, 23:22
- - Engelsstaub   @ greynol: You don't have to guess, greynol. I...   Feb 22 2013, 23:26
|- - Glenn Gundlach   Why would you assume it's necessarily 44.1 ? I...   Feb 24 2013, 02:49
||- - greynol   QUOTE (Glenn Gundlach @ Feb 23 2013, 17:4...   Feb 24 2013, 17:12
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 14:26) ...   Feb 27 2013, 09:05
- - greynol   I think you're going to have a very hard time ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:31
|- - botface   It's a long time since I was involved in the m...   Feb 24 2013, 13:15
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (botface @ Feb 24 2013, 07:15) It...   Feb 24 2013, 14:00
- - Engelsstaub   Yeah, I'm not trying to play that "16 bit...   Feb 22 2013, 23:46
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 22:46) ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:59
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 22 2013, 22:59) If yo...   Feb 25 2013, 12:44
- - carpman   Do record companies expect 16 bit masters? 45 min...   Feb 22 2013, 23:47
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (carpman @ Feb 22 2013, 16:47) Do r...   Feb 22 2013, 23:53
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 14:53) ...   Feb 23 2013, 00:09
- - carpman   I just asked a question (and not directed at you)....   Feb 22 2013, 23:59
- - greynol   It's a master, FFS. At some point something w...   Feb 23 2013, 00:02
- - xnor   Audio CDs are 44.1/16, why would you give the reco...   Feb 23 2013, 00:27
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 22 2013, 16:59) ...Ot...   Feb 23 2013, 00:54
|- - xnor   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 00:54) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:05
||- - greynol   QUOTE iTunes Let's not even go there or I migh...   Feb 23 2013, 01:13
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 15:54) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:05
- - Wombat   To me Master simply means final means ready for pr...   Feb 23 2013, 00:58
- - Engelsstaub   My belief is this: A Redbook CD is completely fin...   Feb 23 2013, 01:22
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 16:22) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:45
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 19:22) ...   Feb 23 2013, 22:18
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 01:22) ...   Feb 25 2013, 01:09
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Feb 24 2013, 18:09) QU...   Feb 25 2013, 01:19
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 19:19) ...   Feb 25 2013, 13:42
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE ...but seriously: if my cart is specced to d...   Feb 23 2013, 02:07
- - Engelsstaub   @ greynol in general: Welp, it remains that Apple ...   Feb 23 2013, 02:30
- - Porcus   Hm. Is the issue here that a CD possibly an audi...   Feb 23 2013, 02:33
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Porcus @ Feb 22 2013, 17:33) What ...   Feb 23 2013, 02:51
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 23 2013, 02:51) It...   Feb 23 2013, 03:42
- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 17:30) ...   Feb 23 2013, 02:37
- - Engelsstaub   @ Porcus: That's the stated issue, yes. Ther...   Feb 23 2013, 02:39
- - Engelsstaub   ...and...I'm done. Thanks.   Feb 23 2013, 02:52
- - greynol   27 responses in a little over four hours, not too ...   Feb 23 2013, 03:33
- - saratoga   I really don't see what the big deal is. If i...   Feb 23 2013, 23:47
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 23 2013, 15...   Feb 24 2013, 02:37
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 20:37) ...   Feb 24 2013, 13:53
- - S3NT13NT_GL1TCH   If it contains a disc image or some other kind of ...   Feb 24 2013, 18:47
- - greynol   While I may be stating the obvious, burning and su...   Feb 24 2013, 20:40
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 13:40) ...T...   Feb 24 2013, 22:51
||- - greynol   Yes, that's different. I don't think I...   Feb 24 2013, 23:33
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 20:40) AFAI...   Feb 26 2013, 23:48
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Porcus @ Feb 26 2013, 16:48) QUOTE...   Feb 27 2013, 03:44
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 18:44) ...   Feb 27 2013, 04:04
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 26 2013, 21:04) QUOT...   Feb 27 2013, 04:48
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 24 2013, 06...   Feb 24 2013, 22:40
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 16:40) ...   Feb 25 2013, 00:28
- - greynol   You might want to check some of your recent upload...   Feb 25 2013, 01:22
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 18:22) You ...   Feb 25 2013, 01:36
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 19:36) ...   Feb 25 2013, 01:40
||- - greynol   QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 24 2013, 16:40) Giv...   Feb 25 2013, 01:57
||- - saratoga   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 19:57) QUOT...   Feb 25 2013, 02:59
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 24 2013, 20:59) QUO...   Feb 25 2013, 14:07
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 16:36) ...   Feb 25 2013, 01:52
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 18:52) ... ...   Feb 25 2013, 02:46
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 17:46) ...   Feb 25 2013, 04:24
- - Engelsstaub   ...this is all above my pay-grade I couldn...   Feb 25 2013, 03:06
- - almostmitch   but I like Scale The Summit..   Feb 25 2013, 16:28
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 25 2013, 06...   Feb 26 2013, 04:00
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 25 2013, 22:00) ...   Feb 26 2013, 13:13
||- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 26 2013, 06...   Feb 26 2013, 23:43
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 17:43) ...   Feb 27 2013, 16:43
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 25 2013, 22:00) ...   Feb 27 2013, 16:22
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 27 2013, 09...   Feb 27 2013, 23:06
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 25 2013, 05:44) .....   Feb 26 2013, 04:21
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 03:21) ...   Feb 26 2013, 10:55
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 03:21) ...   Feb 27 2013, 11:15
|- - Kees de Visser   Emil Berliner Studios has re-introduced vinyl mast...   Feb 27 2013, 11:38
|- - probedb   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 27 2013, 10:15) Th...   Feb 27 2013, 11:55
- - greynol   Reminds me of a boss I had, VP of Marketing and In...   Feb 26 2013, 06:31
- - 2Bdecided   These samples... http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/foru...   Feb 26 2013, 15:37
- - greynol   FWIW, I just updated this post with an example of ...   Feb 26 2013, 21:41
- - greynol   Yawn.   Feb 26 2013, 23:50
- - LithosZA   Personally I don't care if anything was source...   Feb 27 2013, 06:18
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (LithosZA @ Feb 26 2013, 23:18) Per...   Feb 27 2013, 08:14
|- - noiselab   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 23:14) ...   Feb 27 2013, 13:06
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (noiselab @ Feb 27 2013, 06:06) ......   Feb 27 2013, 13:26
|- - db1989   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Montgomery The ...   Feb 27 2013, 13:59
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 27 2013, 06:59) http:...   Feb 27 2013, 14:09
- - greynol   @OP: Sigh. My comment that the record industry h...   Feb 27 2013, 06:25
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 26 2013, 23:25) Sigh...   Feb 27 2013, 07:35
- - greynol   Reading comprehension escapes you.   Feb 27 2013, 08:08
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 27 2013, 01:08) Read...   Feb 27 2013, 08:16
- - greynol   Somehow as a moderator I'm not allowed to chal...   Feb 27 2013, 08:46
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 27 2013, 01:46) Some...   Feb 27 2013, 09:46
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 27 2013, 03:46) ...   Feb 27 2013, 20:18
- - greynol   You're sure pinning a lot on a sample of only ...   Feb 27 2013, 10:42
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 27 2013, 03:42) ... ...   Feb 27 2013, 12:00
- - noiselab   To the first - I'm not really fussed about cre...   Feb 27 2013, 14:24
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (noiselab @ Feb 27 2013, 07:24) ......   Feb 27 2013, 14:58
- - 2Bdecided   The reasons for using more than 16-bits during pro...   Feb 27 2013, 15:21
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 27 2013, 09:21) Th...   Feb 27 2013, 16:27
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 27 2013, 09:21) Th...   Feb 27 2013, 20:21
- - frozenspeed   Who cares what the vessel looks like, in this case...   Feb 27 2013, 16:11
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