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Scale the Summit's "Master" Fail, Ths is what we can expect now, I guess.
Engelsstaub
post Feb 22 2013, 22:42
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I (thankfully) don't listen to this band but I have Prosthetic Records on my Facebook due to a few others on their roster that I appreciate.

Here's a screenshot of what these dumbasses submitted to the label as their "master." Is anyone else shocked that any record company would accept this as normal?



...I guess we can expect this sort of "professionalism" from the recording industry these days.


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greynol
post Feb 27 2013, 08:46
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Somehow as a moderator I'm not allowed to challenge baseless and silly notions about what constitutes professiomalism in the record industry or how vinyl should be mastered? I don't get to be a regular Joe, ever?

I could just as easily let others make the case I made and then shut the thread down because of the growing lack of civility that began once people didn't agree with you. These are people who posess a great deal of knowledge and insight about a topic in which you appear to have great interest.


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post Feb 27 2013, 09:46
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QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 27 2013, 01:46) *
Somehow as a moderator I'm not allowed to challenge baseless and silly notions about what constitutes professiomalism in the record industry or how vinyl should be mastered? I don't get to be a regular Joe, ever?

I could just as easily let others make the case I made and then shut the thread down because of the growing lack of civility that began once people didn't agree with you. These are people who posess a great deal of knowledge and insight about a topic in which you appear to have great interest.


Shut it down then. Once again: I got nothing but snark from any of these people who you say possess a great deal of knowledge about this topic. In fact, they contributed nothing to demonstrate that pressing vinyl from CD-R is a standard practice in the industry...which is fine. A few were just antagonistic and made far stupider statements than you think I did. And it was all goaded on by you. That's how you moderate...by leading a lynch mob. It's easy to espouse popular opinions, isn't it? Don't bother trying to sit in the middle where you belong and shoot down some obvious BS from the mob too. Especially if it's anti-vinyl...people can say anything no matter how unfounded or ludicrous.

No matter how hard I try to play ball according to your rules you still cheat. This is an ongoing thing between you and I. The last time I had to talk to the Ump (you) it was because some dick was cross-thread harassing me over nearly the same thing. Another poster made some stupid claim about how he never heard a vinyl master that sounded different from the CD. I politely asked him to tell me what vinyl he was listening to and that that was far from my experience. (Predictably no reply because the poster was full of it.) I even started a thread attempting to give examples of all the vinyl I had recorded to attempt to draw some sort of conclusions. Same poster followed me thread-to-thread harassing me with more baseless crap. Harassed me about the price of a record brush I linked to...you happily jumped on top of that too. The price of a brush FFS. I apologized for nothing to play nice but it never ends. My efforts are in earnest even if I'm just stupid like you'd have me to believe through your condescending "moderation." You just have this raging hard-on for certain posters where we must toe some poorly-defined line while others can say ridiculous crap and contribute nothing on topic.

You're the mod here. You're staff but you're not interested in helping...just leading a bunch of people with pitchforks and torches. You don't have to like that I care about the bit/sample used to press vinyl. My only question is about the norm...not whether I'm stupid for caring. Now if you and your experts (Arny and GeSomeone, I'm guessing) can go ahead and convince me what that norm is I'm all ears. Statements like "this happens all the time" are demonstrably at odds with the only expert statement presented thus far in this entire thread. I'll bet you'd rather my ilk just f___ off over to Hoffman's forum, but here I am trying my ass off to have some meaningful discussion in a forum ruled by those unfriendly to anyone who likes vinyl.

So...if we're going back to the beginning I'd just love to hear from anyone who can say with some authority that they've seen vinyl pressed from Redbook or what the specifics are. I would love for somebody above you to read all of this and see what they think. Otherwise just shut it down if you're afraid or need to be that guy. Save me from wasting anymore of my time.


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- Engelsstaub   Scale the Summit's "Master" Fail   Feb 22 2013, 22:42
- - greynol   It's what's on the disc that matters, and ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:12
- - xnor   Nobody knows what's on the disc but the record...   Feb 22 2013, 23:20
- - DVDdoug   I'm not sure if there's anything wrong wit...   Feb 22 2013, 23:22
- - Engelsstaub   @ greynol: You don't have to guess, greynol. I...   Feb 22 2013, 23:26
|- - Glenn Gundlach   Why would you assume it's necessarily 44.1 ? I...   Feb 24 2013, 02:49
||- - greynol   QUOTE (Glenn Gundlach @ Feb 23 2013, 17:4...   Feb 24 2013, 17:12
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 14:26) ...   Feb 27 2013, 09:05
- - greynol   I think you're going to have a very hard time ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:31
|- - botface   It's a long time since I was involved in the m...   Feb 24 2013, 13:15
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (botface @ Feb 24 2013, 07:15) It...   Feb 24 2013, 14:00
- - Engelsstaub   Yeah, I'm not trying to play that "16 bit...   Feb 22 2013, 23:46
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 22:46) ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:59
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 22 2013, 22:59) If yo...   Feb 25 2013, 12:44
- - carpman   Do record companies expect 16 bit masters? 45 min...   Feb 22 2013, 23:47
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (carpman @ Feb 22 2013, 16:47) Do r...   Feb 22 2013, 23:53
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 14:53) ...   Feb 23 2013, 00:09
- - carpman   I just asked a question (and not directed at you)....   Feb 22 2013, 23:59
- - greynol   It's a master, FFS. At some point something w...   Feb 23 2013, 00:02
- - xnor   Audio CDs are 44.1/16, why would you give the reco...   Feb 23 2013, 00:27
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 22 2013, 16:59) ...Ot...   Feb 23 2013, 00:54
|- - xnor   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 00:54) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:05
||- - greynol   QUOTE iTunes Let's not even go there or I migh...   Feb 23 2013, 01:13
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 15:54) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:05
- - Wombat   To me Master simply means final means ready for pr...   Feb 23 2013, 00:58
- - Engelsstaub   My belief is this: A Redbook CD is completely fin...   Feb 23 2013, 01:22
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 16:22) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:45
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 19:22) ...   Feb 23 2013, 22:18
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 01:22) ...   Feb 25 2013, 01:09
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Feb 24 2013, 18:09) QU...   Feb 25 2013, 01:19
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 19:19) ...   Feb 25 2013, 13:42
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE ...but seriously: if my cart is specced to d...   Feb 23 2013, 02:07
- - Engelsstaub   @ greynol in general: Welp, it remains that Apple ...   Feb 23 2013, 02:30
- - Porcus   Hm. Is the issue here that a CD possibly an audi...   Feb 23 2013, 02:33
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Porcus @ Feb 22 2013, 17:33) What ...   Feb 23 2013, 02:51
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 23 2013, 02:51) It...   Feb 23 2013, 03:42
- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 17:30) ...   Feb 23 2013, 02:37
- - Engelsstaub   @ Porcus: That's the stated issue, yes. Ther...   Feb 23 2013, 02:39
- - Engelsstaub   ...and...I'm done. Thanks.   Feb 23 2013, 02:52
- - greynol   27 responses in a little over four hours, not too ...   Feb 23 2013, 03:33
- - saratoga   I really don't see what the big deal is. If i...   Feb 23 2013, 23:47
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 23 2013, 15...   Feb 24 2013, 02:37
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 20:37) ...   Feb 24 2013, 13:53
- - S3NT13NT_GL1TCH   If it contains a disc image or some other kind of ...   Feb 24 2013, 18:47
- - greynol   While I may be stating the obvious, burning and su...   Feb 24 2013, 20:40
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 13:40) ...T...   Feb 24 2013, 22:51
||- - greynol   Yes, that's different. I don't think I...   Feb 24 2013, 23:33
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 20:40) AFAI...   Feb 26 2013, 23:48
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Porcus @ Feb 26 2013, 16:48) QUOTE...   Feb 27 2013, 03:44
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 18:44) ...   Feb 27 2013, 04:04
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 26 2013, 21:04) QUOT...   Feb 27 2013, 04:48
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 24 2013, 06...   Feb 24 2013, 22:40
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 16:40) ...   Feb 25 2013, 00:28
- - greynol   You might want to check some of your recent upload...   Feb 25 2013, 01:22
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 18:22) You ...   Feb 25 2013, 01:36
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 19:36) ...   Feb 25 2013, 01:40
||- - greynol   QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 24 2013, 16:40) Giv...   Feb 25 2013, 01:57
||- - saratoga   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 19:57) QUOT...   Feb 25 2013, 02:59
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 24 2013, 20:59) QUO...   Feb 25 2013, 14:07
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 16:36) ...   Feb 25 2013, 01:52
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 18:52) ... ...   Feb 25 2013, 02:46
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 17:46) ...   Feb 25 2013, 04:24
- - Engelsstaub   ...this is all above my pay-grade I couldn...   Feb 25 2013, 03:06
- - almostmitch   but I like Scale The Summit..   Feb 25 2013, 16:28
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 25 2013, 06...   Feb 26 2013, 04:00
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 25 2013, 22:00) ...   Feb 26 2013, 13:13
||- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 26 2013, 06...   Feb 26 2013, 23:43
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 17:43) ...   Feb 27 2013, 16:43
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 25 2013, 22:00) ...   Feb 27 2013, 16:22
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 27 2013, 09...   Feb 27 2013, 23:06
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 25 2013, 05:44) .....   Feb 26 2013, 04:21
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 03:21) ...   Feb 26 2013, 10:55
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 03:21) ...   Feb 27 2013, 11:15
|- - Kees de Visser   Emil Berliner Studios has re-introduced vinyl mast...   Feb 27 2013, 11:38
|- - probedb   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 27 2013, 10:15) Th...   Feb 27 2013, 11:55
- - greynol   Reminds me of a boss I had, VP of Marketing and In...   Feb 26 2013, 06:31
- - 2Bdecided   These samples... http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/foru...   Feb 26 2013, 15:37
- - greynol   FWIW, I just updated this post with an example of ...   Feb 26 2013, 21:41
- - greynol   Yawn.   Feb 26 2013, 23:50
- - LithosZA   Personally I don't care if anything was source...   Feb 27 2013, 06:18
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (LithosZA @ Feb 26 2013, 23:18) Per...   Feb 27 2013, 08:14
|- - noiselab   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 26 2013, 23:14) ...   Feb 27 2013, 13:06
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (noiselab @ Feb 27 2013, 06:06) ......   Feb 27 2013, 13:26
|- - db1989   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Montgomery The ...   Feb 27 2013, 13:59
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 27 2013, 06:59) http:...   Feb 27 2013, 14:09
- - greynol   @OP: Sigh. My comment that the record industry h...   Feb 27 2013, 06:25
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 26 2013, 23:25) Sigh...   Feb 27 2013, 07:35
- - greynol   Reading comprehension escapes you.   Feb 27 2013, 08:08
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 27 2013, 01:08) Read...   Feb 27 2013, 08:16
- - greynol   Somehow as a moderator I'm not allowed to chal...   Feb 27 2013, 08:46
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 27 2013, 01:46) Some...   Feb 27 2013, 09:46
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 27 2013, 03:46) ...   Feb 27 2013, 20:18
- - greynol   You're sure pinning a lot on a sample of only ...   Feb 27 2013, 10:42
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 27 2013, 03:42) ... ...   Feb 27 2013, 12:00
- - noiselab   To the first - I'm not really fussed about cre...   Feb 27 2013, 14:24
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (noiselab @ Feb 27 2013, 07:24) ......   Feb 27 2013, 14:58
- - 2Bdecided   The reasons for using more than 16-bits during pro...   Feb 27 2013, 15:21
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 27 2013, 09:21) Th...   Feb 27 2013, 16:27
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 27 2013, 09:21) Th...   Feb 27 2013, 20:21
- - frozenspeed   Who cares what the vessel looks like, in this case...   Feb 27 2013, 16:11
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