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Typical signal to noise ratio of ADPCM
Neuron
post Jan 28 2013, 15:08
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So, I have decided to return to this forum (despite my little conflict with greynol) and I have kind of a weird question. I would like to know what is the rough SNR of a 4-bit ADPCM recording (IMA and Microsoft). For those curious why I am asking this, well, I like ripping music and sound effects from old games, and I would like know the technical side as well.
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Neuron
post Jan 30 2013, 16:00
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I did an Audacity convert to mono + match both volumes using Amplify + invert one of the track and Mix and render way of subtracting one track from the other. I got a "noise signal", peaking only 11.3 dB below the top. The weird thing is, the quieter parts of the song (not silence, only 9-10 dB below maximum) had "noise" as quiet as -45 dB while the louder parts went up to 11.3 dB. This is not all that is strange, because the "noise" left by the subtraction is actually a recognisable signal of the music, although very noisy (I will post a sample in the uploads section). By contrast, the dithered 8-bit signal is very audibly noisy, but it leaves a normal noise signal at -35.3 dB (which is a bit weird as well as 8-bit sound should have a 48 dB SNR and dithered 42 dB as I used only 1-bits of triangular dither, plus, the original signal is slightly present in the noise as well). The undithered 8-bit signal produces normal random noise at -48.2 dB as expected. Both dithered and undithered 8-bit signal have obvious, strong noise in them, unlike the ADPCM files.

So, how to make sense of this? And why every difference signal except for the non-dithered 8-bit one has recognisable music it it?
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post Jan 30 2013, 17:03
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QUOTE (Neuron @ Jan 30 2013, 15:00) *
I got a "noise signal", peaking only 11.3 dB below the top.


Measuring RMS is more representative of loudness than peak.

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Well, neither 4-bit ADPCM or 8-bit PCM are really "bad".


I guess , that higher bit depth is only useful, if you want to reach higher dynamic range.
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- Neuron   Typical signal to noise ratio of ADPCM   Jan 28 2013, 15:08
- - saratoga   There are various adpcm flavors. Which are you usi...   Jan 28 2013, 16:56
|- - Neuron   QUOTE (saratoga @ Jan 28 2013, 16:56) The...   Jan 28 2013, 20:16
- - Garf   CompAudio from AFsp can calculate this, IIRC. But ...   Jan 28 2013, 17:51
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (Garf @ Jan 28 2013, 08:51) CompAud...   Jan 31 2013, 08:30
- - kode54   Cool, game soundtrack ripping for the win. I may b...   Jan 29 2013, 06:07
|- - Neuron   QUOTE (kode54 @ Jan 29 2013, 06:07) Cool,...   Jan 29 2013, 11:54
|- - Neuron   QUOTE (kode54 @ Jan 29 2013, 06:07) Cool,...   Jan 29 2013, 16:47
- - Neuron   Here it is:http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/ind...   Jan 29 2013, 12:46
- - saratoga   If you have the lossless and lossy encoded files y...   Jan 29 2013, 17:37
- - Neuron   I have to admit I don't really know how to do ...   Jan 29 2013, 22:42
|- - Neuron   I've added the song in 44 Khz MS ADPCM to the ...   Jan 29 2013, 23:15
||- - bandpass   QUOTE (Neuron @ Jan 29 2013, 22:15) MS AD...   Jan 30 2013, 08:46
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (Neuron @ Jan 29 2013, 13:42) I hav...   Jan 31 2013, 08:33
- - extrabigmehdi   Well, I used the normalize function of soundforge ...   Jan 30 2013, 00:08
|- - Neuron   QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Jan 30 2013, 00:08...   Jan 30 2013, 11:29
|- - extrabigmehdi   QUOTE (Neuron @ Jan 30 2013, 10:29) Thank...   Jan 30 2013, 13:48
- - Neuron   Thank you, but what does "signal: -19 db...   Jan 30 2013, 14:14
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Neuron @ Jan 30 2013, 13:14) ADPCM...   Jan 30 2013, 15:29
|- - extrabigmehdi   QUOTE (Neuron @ Jan 30 2013, 13:14) Thank...   Jan 30 2013, 15:49
|- - Neuron   QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Jan 30 2013, 15:49...   Jan 30 2013, 16:07
|- - Neuron   QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Jan 30 2013, 15:49...   Jan 30 2013, 16:13
- - pdq   The "dynamic range" of mp3 is actually q...   Jan 30 2013, 15:24
- - Neuron   I did an Audacity convert to mono + match both vol...   Jan 30 2013, 16:00
|- - extrabigmehdi   QUOTE (Neuron @ Jan 30 2013, 15:00) I got...   Jan 30 2013, 17:03
||- - Neuron   QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Jan 30 2013, 17:03...   Jan 30 2013, 21:04
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (Neuron @ Jan 30 2013, 10:00) I did...   Jan 30 2013, 18:20
|- - Neuron   QUOTE (saratoga @ Jan 30 2013, 18:20) So ...   Jan 30 2013, 21:24
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (Neuron @ Jan 30 2013, 15:24) QUOTE...   Jan 31 2013, 01:44
|- - Neuron   QUOTE (saratoga @ Jan 31 2013, 01:44) QUO...   Jan 31 2013, 13:44
- - Neuron   That is true, but it does not explain why the ADPC...   Jan 30 2013, 21:10


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