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cl1ent
post Jan 25 2013, 15:23
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Noob here, so hello to all. I've been reading this forum for ages and now I need some help from you learned folk!
I have a Win 7 pc (Realtek HD onboard sound with optical out) and a bunch of 24/96 vinyl rips.
Playback via 3.5mm jack is just fine, but I have bought a CYP AUD3 micro dac (24/192) and I just can't get any sound out of it.
Connected like this - optical/dac/rca/amplifier. I have spent 2/3 of the day clicking on everything I can, but still no sound.
Would greatly appreciate any guidance from you guys.

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DVDdoug
post Jan 31 2013, 00:06
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The fault was with the el-cheapo Cambridge Audio Toslink cable. Under close inspection, while moderately bending it, I could see the optic fiber moving in and out from one end! ...

...with a QED Performance Graphite Toslink cable.
For future reference, if you live in the U.S. Monoprice.com sells high-quality cables (of all kinds) for very-low prices. And with the low prices, I usually order a couple extra...

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I've been reading this forum for ages...

.. and I've got a real dac coming next week. Been eyeing the MF M1 for a while and I gave in.
I assume you don't expect any difference in sound, unless your current DAC is defective. But, if you've got the extra cash, and you like the features, appearance, and build quality, etc., more power to you!
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post Jan 31 2013, 13:53
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QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jan 31 2013, 01:06) *
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The fault was with the el-cheapo Cambridge Audio Toslink cable. Under close inspection, while moderately bending it, I could see the optic fiber moving in and out from one end! ...

...with a QED Performance Graphite Toslink cable.
For future reference, if you live in the U.S. Monoprice.com sells high-quality cables (of all kinds) for very-low prices. And with the low prices, I usually order a couple extra...

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I've been reading this forum for ages...

.. and I've got a real dac coming next week. Been eyeing the MF M1 for a while and I gave in.
I assume you don't expect any difference in sound, unless your current DAC is defective. But, if you've got the extra cash, and you like the features, appearance, and build quality, etc., more power to you!


Hi DVDdoug, I'm in the UK.
Regarding the MF M1 dac, I do expect an improvement in sound over my current CYP AUD3 dac. If I don't hear an improvement I'm sending it back and spending that money on music!
However, I think I will hear an improvement as I regard my current dac as the weak link in my system (Roksan Kandy K2 amplifier and B&W 685 speakers).
Also, I see the M1 as future-proofing my system. Again I stress that if I alone cannot hear an inprovement in sound once the M1 has been run in, I will be sending it back.
I don't spend money on things that don't add real value and I don't change gear very often, about every 5 years or so and have the current setup for 1 year now.
This whole cable experience had reminded me of a quote from my dad - "I'm too poor to buy cheap things."

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post Jan 31 2013, 14:14
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QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 31 2013, 12:53) *
Regarding the MF M1 dac, I do expect an improvement in sound over my current CYP AUD3 dac. If I don't hear an improvement I'm sending it back and spending that money on music!
However, I think I will hear an improvement as I regard my current dac as the weak link in my system
This almost certainly is not really the case. If you still feel the need to test it, do so by a valid method, otherwise the result will not be reliable, and you may just be throwing money away. We have numerous previous threads about both the audible performance of DACs and how to perform blind listening tests, so I recommend that you research those before ordering anything.
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post Jan 31 2013, 14:50
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QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 31 2013, 15:14) *
QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 31 2013, 12:53) *
Regarding the MF M1 dac, I do expect an improvement in sound over my current CYP AUD3 dac. If I don't hear an improvement I'm sending it back and spending that money on music!
However, I think I will hear an improvement as I regard my current dac as the weak link in my system
This almost certainly is not really the case. If you still feel the need to test it, do so by a valid method, otherwise the result will not be reliable, and you may just be throwing money away. We have numerous previous threads about both the audible performance of DACs and how to perform blind listening tests, so I recommend that you research those before ordering anything.


What I meant by a sound improvement if simply if it sounds better to me, an individual. This is for my home/office where I spend a good 10 hrs a day, basically a workstation in my lounge.
I don't have the equipment or knowledge to lab test anything, but I can appreciate dynamics, soundstage depth, tonal balance and timing.
Leaving bias and purchase excitement aside, this is just a piece of electronic equipment at the end of the day. If it makes a enjoyable change in my personal listening experience, then I think it to be worth the investment. If not, back in the box and back to the shop with no hard feelings!
In the mean time I will be reading up on blind listening test here.

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post Jan 31 2013, 17:57
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I can appreciate dynamics, soundstage depth, tonal balance and timing.

You are not going to hear any differences in these things in a properly controlled double blind test. That you chose these specific "audiophile" terms suggests to me that you will imagine that you hear differences in an uncontrolled sighted test, which would be quite unfortunate, since your money is absolutely better spent elsewhere.

While you might not feel that knowledgable in testing, you could empower yourself and read a few things about expectation bias.


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post Jan 31 2013, 20:25
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QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 31 2013, 05:50) *
I can appreciate dynamics, soundstage depth, tonal balance and timing.

You are not going to hear any differences in these things in a properly controlled double blind test. That you chose these specific "audiophile" terms suggests to me that you will imagine that you hear differences in an uncontrolled sighted test, which would be quite unfortunate, since your money is absolutely better spent elsewhere.

While you might not feel that knowledgable in testing, you could empower yourself and read a few things about expectation bias.


Seems everyone is here to prove me wrong on something that hasn't hapened yet...
Believe me, I'm of a very analytical and subjective nature, so I will not be imaginig hearing things. Well, maybe in my golden years!
Simple as - if I like the sound I get with the new dac (including the sound signature of the electronics) I will keep it. If not I will spend my money elsewhere.
What could you suggest I spend this money on, other than music, if the dac experience is bogus?
I'm not into headphones as I listen to music all day while I work, so cans would not work for me.
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post Jan 31 2013, 21:12
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QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 31 2013, 11:25) *
Believe me, I'm of a very analytical and subjective nature, so I will not be imaginig hearing things.

Don't take what I've said or what I'm about to say as an affront. This is valuable information that will set you free by helping to make you a more informed consumer.

We are human and have evolved in such a way that our brains are able to dictate and in some situations supersede what we actually hear. As to how acute people think their hearing is, I wouldn't be surprised that the better they think they are at hearing things the more easily they are duped.

Maybe you won't hear differences where none exist, but if you do then your impressions should be highly suspect if your test wasn't well-controlled and double-blind. It would serve you well to be skeptical of your own listening experiences when you can't be sure they aren't tainted by expectation bias.

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- cl1ent   I cannot get any sound from my CYP AUD3 micro DAC   Jan 25 2013, 15:23
- - Apesbrain   The DAC is powered (external 5V DC) and input swit...   Jan 25 2013, 16:07
|- - cl1ent   QUOTE (Apesbrain @ Jan 25 2013, 17:07) Th...   Jan 25 2013, 16:36
|- - Apesbrain   QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 25 2013, 10:36) No ot...   Jan 25 2013, 16:48
|- - cl1ent   QUOTE (Apesbrain @ Jan 25 2013, 17:48) QU...   Jan 25 2013, 16:52
- - db1989   Is this actually specific to foobar2000, or should...   Jan 25 2013, 16:24
|- - cl1ent   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 25 2013, 17:24) Is th...   Jan 25 2013, 16:40
|- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 25 2013, 16:24) Is th...   Jan 25 2013, 16:41
- - db1989   You can’t; I will.   Jan 25 2013, 17:01
|- - cl1ent   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 25 2013, 18:01) You c...   Jan 25 2013, 17:02
- - Apesbrain   If you haven't already done so: Install the fo...   Jan 25 2013, 17:13
|- - cl1ent   QUOTE (Apesbrain @ Jan 25 2013, 18:13) If...   Jan 25 2013, 17:41
- - nagual   Have you tried 16/44.1 ?   Jan 25 2013, 22:46
|- - cl1ent   QUOTE (nagual @ Jan 25 2013, 23:46) Have ...   Jan 26 2013, 00:08
- - cl1ent   Problem sorted! So, what could it have been? ...   Jan 30 2013, 22:02
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE The fault was with the el-cheapo Cambridge A...   Jan 31 2013, 00:06
|- - cl1ent   QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jan 31 2013, 01:06) QUOT...   Jan 31 2013, 13:53
|- - db1989   QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 31 2013, 12:53) Regar...   Jan 31 2013, 14:14
|- - cl1ent   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 31 2013, 15:14) QUOTE...   Jan 31 2013, 14:50
|- - pdq   QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 31 2013, 08:50) What ...   Jan 31 2013, 17:36
|- - greynol   QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 31 2013, 05:50) I can...   Jan 31 2013, 17:57
|- - cl1ent   QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 31 2013, 18:57) QUOT...   Jan 31 2013, 20:25
|- - greynol   QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 31 2013, 11:25) Belie...   Jan 31 2013, 21:12
|- - Nessuno   People here is only trying to tell you that as tod...   Jan 31 2013, 21:13
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|- - Nessuno   QUOTE (pdq @ Jan 31 2013, 14:10) You must...   Jan 31 2013, 14:51
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- - cl1ent   QUOTE (pdq @ Jan 31 2013, 21:47) Absolute...   Jan 31 2013, 21:06
- - greynol   QUOTE (cl1ent @ Jan 31 2013, 12:06) Just ...   Jan 31 2013, 21:15


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