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How do you listen to music? Speakers, headphones, which types, etc., [More options have been added; please see posts #60–62]
How do you listen to music?
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skamp
post Jan 14 2013, 15:42
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What kind of speakers do you use for listening to music? Speakers, headphones, IEMs, earbuds… Multiple choices are allowed to reflect different use cases.

Notes:
  • a distinction is made between stationary use (e.g. at home or at work) and on the go (when walking / riding / driving, commuting…)
  • circumaural headphones surround the ears
  • supra-aural headphones (on-ear) are usually smaller (but not necessarily always) and sit on top of the ears
  • custom mold IEMs require a visit to an orthophonist who makes silicon molds out of one's ears, which are to be shipped to the custom IEM manufacturer
  • earbuds sit on the outer ears and are not inserted into the ear canals like IEMs


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mzil
post Jan 15 2013, 02:05
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QUOTE (almostmitch @ Jan 14 2013, 13:50) *
I had my eye on these though. Anyone have thoughts on these speakers? yay, nay?

Nay. That MTM arrangement cures problems that are hardly problems at all, and creates new ones, especially if you don't place the tweeter's at exact ear height [so no standing up while listening allowed] http://www.birotechnology.com/articles/VSTWLA.html [read the conclusion]

I do however think some other recent introductory Polk speakers have impressively even far field response {where it counts} for their price:
http://forum.stereophile.com/content/polk-...surements\ What they do from 200Hz to 9 kHz is very flat and they have a nice steep waterfall plot too. [edit to add: or the smaller RTi A1 (to save money) looks decent too]
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Here's a weird headphone without a category: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9878674-1.html

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post Jan 15 2013, 13:36
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QUOTE (mzil @ Jan 14 2013, 20:05) *
Nay. That MTM arrangement cures problems that are hardly problems at all, and creates new ones, especially if you don't place the tweeter's at exact ear height [so no standing up while listening allowed] http://www.birotechnology.com/articles/VSTWLA.html [read the conclusion]


The author starts with the assumption that the only motivation for an MTM configuration is to eliminate tilt in the vertical pattern, then puts up graphs showing dips caused by destructive interference as the unwanted side effects. If done right, those dips are the desired effect in that they reduce short delay echos from ceiling and floor.

Plenty of high end speakers take measures to have a wide horizontal pattern while constraining the vertical pattern.

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post Jan 15 2013, 18:27
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QUOTE (DonP @ Jan 15 2013, 08:36) *
Plenty of high end speakers take measures to have a wide horizontal pattern while constraining the vertical pattern.


So? Plenty of "high end" speakers recommend using bi-wiring, even though it is completely without merit or evidence that it has any audible consequence beyond the fact that the effective, overall thicker gauge of wire used across the room [double the number of strands of a traditional, single run] alters the L, C, and R of the wire [which in some circumstances may have consequences if the single run is, for example, too thin], but that can be easily duplicated simply by using a thicker single wire pair to a single set of speaker binging posts, from the get go. [Not to say that controlled directivity is "inaudible", and I agree in some instances is quite desirable.]

If one prioritizes a specific directivity pattern over a smooth, flat frequency response free of peaks and dips [not me], I'm sure there are any number of manipulations which can be applied. I agree with the author's AES paper which points out that MTM designs have response errors which are "not predicted by a simple lobing error analysis" that most speaker designers utilize.

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post Jan 15 2013, 19:46
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QUOTE (mzil @ Jan 15 2013, 12:27) *
I agree with the author's AES paper which points out that MTM designs have response errors which are "not predicted by a simple lobing error analysis" that most speaker designers utilize.


Nothing new about a speaker company dissing others while touting their own fix for the problems of the world. At some point you are bound to see phrases like: " sets new standards for a speaker in its price class." (in quotes because it came from the author, but something like that appears in the literature of almost any speaker beyond the system-in-a-box class)

If there was a fatal flaw in the motivation of constraining the vertical dispersion, I suppose the author would have addressed it, rather than ignoring it.
If the paper truly justified the death of D'Appolito designs, that surely would have happened over the 17 years since it was published. Thiele-Small concepts in speaker design took off like wildfire and dominated the industry in just a couple of years after publication.

I'm not saying MTM is perfect, but it is a viable design layout with virtues that have stood the test of time.
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QUOTE (DonP @ Jan 15 2013, 14:46) *
I'm not saying MTM is perfect, but it is a viable design layout with virtues that have stood the test of time.

Just don't stand up while listening to them or you'll be in for a rude awakening.
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- skamp   How do you listen to music? Speakers, headphones, which types, etc.   Jan 14 2013, 15:42
- - dhromed   I'm not sure I agree with your specific distin...   Jan 14 2013, 16:12
|- - skamp   QUOTE (dhromed @ Jan 14 2013, 16:12) The ...   Jan 14 2013, 16:17
|- - dhromed   QUOTE (skamp @ Jan 14 2013, 16:17) I stan...   Jan 14 2013, 20:27
- - skamp   About IEMs: I was never able to get a decent fit w...   Jan 14 2013, 17:00
- - DonP   One common type of portable head phone I'm not...   Jan 14 2013, 17:08
- - DonP   So far looks like a pretty low percentage use car ...   Jan 14 2013, 17:12
|- - Hotsoup   QUOTE (DonP @ Jan 14 2013, 09:12) So far ...   Jan 14 2013, 17:27
- - db1989   I mostly use headphones IEMs, as much of my relati...   Jan 14 2013, 17:26
- - skamp   QUOTE (DonP @ Jan 14 2013, 17:08) One com...   Jan 14 2013, 17:34
|- - Nessuno   I voted for IEMs and Hi-Fi speakers even if actual...   Jan 14 2013, 18:34
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (DonP @ Jan 14 2013, 11:12) So far ...   Jan 14 2013, 18:50
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Jan 14 2013, 11:50) ...   Jan 14 2013, 23:50
- - skamp   Portable headphones (both circumaural and supra-au...   Jan 14 2013, 18:55
- - yourlord   I use virtually every type of speaker on the list ...   Jan 14 2013, 19:52
- - thesoundista   I use the following: Sennheiser CX 300-II for eve...   Jan 14 2013, 20:15
- - Rescator   Just an addendum to my circumaural headphone vote,...   Jan 14 2013, 20:56
- - mzil   I don't see a category "Galactic Princess...   Jan 14 2013, 22:12
- - Mach-X   Sennheiser cx300 series II iems. Huge improvement ...   Jan 15 2013, 03:37
- - probedb   I've used Westone IEMs for maybe 10 years now....   Jan 15 2013, 08:54
|- - JJZolx   QUOTE (probedb @ Jan 15 2013, 01:54) neve...   Jan 15 2013, 10:52
|- - probedb   QUOTE (JJZolx @ Jan 15 2013, 09:52) I wou...   Jan 15 2013, 12:59
- - pawelq   So I am using Adam A7 which are on my desktop and ...   Jan 15 2013, 20:46
- - jimijabble   I use Sony MDR-XB500 and some crummy speakers on m...   Jan 15 2013, 22:08
- - Canar   Bought myself a pair of Mackie Thump PAs for a rid...   Jan 15 2013, 23:54
- - krabapple   5.1 system, Behringer 2030p monitors all around, h...   Jan 16 2013, 08:55
- - skamp   QUOTE (pawelq @ Jan 15 2013, 20:46) I am ...   Jan 16 2013, 10:22
|- - yourlord   QUOTE (skamp @ Jan 16 2013, 04:22) QUOTE ...   Jan 16 2013, 16:44
|- - DonP   QUOTE (skamp @ Jan 16 2013, 04:22) Forgiv...   Jan 16 2013, 16:53
- - RonaldDumsfeld   My category isn't really covered in the poll. ...   Jan 16 2013, 12:36
|- - skamp   Sounds like desktop speakers to me, by my definiti...   Jan 16 2013, 13:31
- - KozmoNaut   Hi-fi speakers, headphones, desktop speakers, a li...   Jan 16 2013, 14:44
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE Sounds like desktop speakers to me Not to s...   Jan 16 2013, 16:12
|- - Nessuno   QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ Jan 16 2013, 16:1...   Jan 16 2013, 19:54
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Nessuno @ Jan 16 2013, 18:54) So w...   Jan 16 2013, 20:54
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Nessuno @ Jan 16 2013, 10:54) ...   Jan 16 2013, 21:36
|- - Nessuno   Let's see if this fits: "desktop speakers...   Jan 16 2013, 22:31
- - Canar   How they look. XLR inputs, which I've got hook...   Jan 16 2013, 17:49
- - BenB   I'd say about 75% of my music listening happen...   Jan 16 2013, 18:51
|- - db1989   QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ Jan 16 2013, 11:3...   Jan 16 2013, 19:12
|- - Canar   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 16 2013, 10:12) Canar...   Jan 16 2013, 19:26
- - skamp   As Nessuno said, the distinction that I make about...   Jan 16 2013, 21:42
|- - db1989   QUOTE (skamp @ Jan 16 2013, 20:42) I don...   Jan 16 2013, 21:55
- - Canar   The only PC audio device these could connect to is...   Jan 16 2013, 21:55
- - greynol   This is suggesting that desktop speakers cannot be...   Jan 16 2013, 22:36
|- - Nessuno   QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 16 2013, 22:36) This...   Jan 16 2013, 23:40
- - db1989   I do think that a distinction must be made between...   Jan 16 2013, 22:44
- - yourlord   So what does this qualify as? That was my compu...   Jan 16 2013, 23:42
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (yourlord @ Jan 16 2013, 16:42) So ...   Jan 17 2013, 08:16
- - greynol   Please consider what the "fi" is hi-fi m...   Jan 16 2013, 23:55
- - skamp   You guys are giving me a headache! So, what...   Jan 17 2013, 10:16
|- - db1989   QUOTE (skamp @ Jan 17 2013, 09:16) So, wh...   Jan 17 2013, 15:15
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (skamp @ Jan 17 2013, 04:16) You gu...   Jan 17 2013, 16:32
- - RonaldDumsfeld   I was going to suggest 'console tops' to d...   Jan 17 2013, 12:48
|- - Nessuno   QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ Jan 17 2013, 12:4...   Jan 17 2013, 13:17
- - skamp   I'll leave it to you to make the changes to th...   Jan 17 2013, 15:21
- - db1989   Done, and… QUOTE (Canar @ Jan 15 2013, 22...   Jan 17 2013, 15:53
- - mzil   In the interest of keeping things straightforward ...   Jan 17 2013, 18:39
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE I can’t conclusively tell from your wording:...   Jan 17 2013, 21:11
|- - db1989   QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ Jan 17 2013, 20:1...   Jan 17 2013, 22:04
- - DonP   "2.1" counts as surround? Isn't tha...   Jan 17 2013, 22:21
- - db1989   Yeah, I’ve edited the name in response to your pos...   Jan 17 2013, 22:43
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- - Nessuno   At first it seemed to me the emphasis was more on ...   Jan 18 2013, 09:28
- - skamp   QUOTE (Nessuno @ Jan 18 2013, 09:28) By t...   Jan 18 2013, 10:15


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