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Do lossless files differ if downloaded from store vs. ripped from CD?
kirbydoo
post Jan 13 2013, 21:30
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Note: I had posted this thread on another audio site and copied the title. For whatever reason, it got cut off. The correct title of this thread is "Is there a difference between an .aiff/.wav downloaded from the Internet and one ripped from a CD?"

I have read threads in the past about how ripped copies of tracks from CDs in lossless formats are slightly lesser in quality than the original copies on the CD, but now I am wondering if there is a difference between copies downloaded from the Internet and ones on a CD. I am assuming that a lossless track downloaded from the web is a perfect copy, considering there is no grey area to consider (the quality of the CD, how efficient your DVD ROM drive is, what program you are using to rip and how well that works). I buy music from sites such as Beatport, Discogs, and Bandcamp, all of which seem to give pleasing results. I guess I am trying to ask, what is the difference between how you obtain lossless music from the web and how you obtain it from a CD? I know, there is a bunch of technical stuff that goes into ripping music from a CD, but how do online music stores sell lossless music?

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Wombat
post Jan 13 2013, 23:58
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I bet not even the vendor himself can exactly tell you about the real origin sometimes.

I can tell you about one experience i had with one artist.
I bought an album that had very audible clicks in a silent part that after looking over it showed some samples broken like it was read wrong and badly interpolated like in the good old days before EAC and alike rippers arised.
After i complained at the store they told me they only sell the lossless files as they were given to them by the artist.
After 1 week there still wasn´t a solution so i contacted the artist directly after being told by the store.
Some days later i got the corrected version for download. What i recognized is that in the signatures of the artist himself always had an -send by an "i" device-
A second album i purchased by the same artist i can verify against the AR database with CUEtools and one of the songs is NOT accurately ripped but has no audible defect either.

What i say now is only a guess. It may be as simple as these lossless files sold are some iTunes rips the artist did himself because it was the easiest way to do so. You see in this case self-rips may be more secure.
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post Jan 14 2013, 00:29
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My experience is that I bought many albums from eClassical web store, verified them against AccurateRip db, when found an entry, using XLD "open folder as CD" function and some of them matched completely. The ones that didn't match, often had a mismatch only in the last track (so I guess there could be a reason for that, which I couldn't figure out). Occasionally there are also mismatch in another track than the last, so maybe the hypothesis of Spoon and Greynol (not securely ripped but still nearly perfect results) applies.

I wrote a mail to their customer service asking for explanations, receiving no answer.

BTW: they give also the pdf booklets of the original CD edition, which especially for older releases are actual scanning from printed paper, sometimes rather misaligned: burst scanning mode! wink.gif

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- kirbydoo   Do lossless files differ if downloaded from store vs. ripped from CD?   Jan 13 2013, 21:30
- - saratoga   QUOTE (kirbydoo @ Jan 13 2013, 15:30) I g...   Jan 13 2013, 21:45
- - db1989   QUOTE (kirbydoo @ Jan 13 2013, 20:30) I h...   Jan 13 2013, 22:10
- - spoon   I am quite certain that the companies which did th...   Jan 13 2013, 22:38
- - greynol   Expected? I really wouldn't approach it that ...   Jan 13 2013, 22:40
- - Wombat   I bet not even the vendor himself can exactly tell...   Jan 13 2013, 23:58
|- - Nessuno   My experience is that I bought many albums from eC...   Jan 14 2013, 00:29
- - spoon   You would hope that these label provided discs wer...   Jan 14 2013, 00:03
- - mixminus1   ...and then there's Universal Music Group, whi...   Jan 14 2013, 00:09
- - spoon   >so I guess there could be a reason for that, w...   Jan 14 2013, 00:33
- - Rescator   My advise to those buying lossless tracks for digi...   Jan 14 2013, 01:06
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Rescator @ Jan 14 2013, 00:06) Ass...   Jan 14 2013, 01:11
|- - Rescator   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 14 2013, 01:11) QUOTE...   Jan 14 2013, 01:27
- - kirbydoo   Wow. Silly me. I never considered all of these fac...   Jan 14 2013, 01:53
- - Wombat   QUOTE (Rescator @ Jan 14 2013, 02:27) I w...   Jan 14 2013, 01:54
- - Wombat   QUOTE (kirbydoo @ Jan 14 2013, 02:53) Wow...   Jan 14 2013, 02:03
|- - kirbydoo   QUOTE It is pretty unlikely you hear tiny differen...   Jan 14 2013, 02:06
|- - db1989   QUOTE (kirbydoo @ Jan 14 2013, 01:06) QUO...   Jan 14 2013, 02:38
- - db1989   QUOTE (Rescator @ Jan 14 2013, 00:27) I w...   Jan 14 2013, 02:04
|- - kirbydoo   QUOTE My next question is this - if I have a CD th...   Jan 14 2013, 02:11
|- - skamp   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 14 2013, 02:04) And w...   Jan 14 2013, 18:11
- - Wombat   QUOTE (kirbydoo @ Jan 14 2013, 03:06) Hmm...   Jan 14 2013, 02:12
|- - kirbydoo   QUOTE (Wombat @ Jan 13 2013, 20:12) QUOTE...   Jan 14 2013, 02:35
- - greynol   "Very unlikely" is overly-generous. Fur...   Jan 14 2013, 02:42
- - Wombat   QUOTE (kirbydoo @ Jan 14 2013, 03:35) I g...   Jan 14 2013, 02:42
- - greynol   We all kinda descended at once; and you can pretty...   Jan 14 2013, 03:02
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (kirbydoo @ Jan 13 2013, 14:30) ......   Jan 14 2013, 03:21
|- - yourlord   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Jan 13 2013, 21:21) ...   Jan 14 2013, 04:46
- - Engelsstaub   I just re-read my post...hopefully my point wasn...   Jan 14 2013, 05:26
- - Mach-X   No your point is clear. For myself, the price of a...   Jan 14 2013, 06:06
- - frozenspeed   You know where the lossless file you MADE came fro...   Jan 14 2013, 16:00
|- - Canar   QUOTE (frozenspeed @ Jan 14 2013, 07:00) ...   Jan 14 2013, 18:10
- - yourlord   When buying from indie bands it's always a gam...   Jan 14 2013, 17:28
- - greynol   Yes. It would be fool-hardy (if not libel) to jum...   Jan 14 2013, 18:21
- - Porcus   AFAIK, Bandcamp gets the files from the artists, r...   Feb 1 2013, 17:40
|- - skamp   QUOTE (Porcus @ Feb 1 2013, 17:40) Thirty...   Feb 1 2013, 17:42
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (skamp @ Feb 1 2013, 17:42) QUOTE (...   Feb 1 2013, 20:08
- - yourlord   My first hard drive was an 80MB Connor bought in 1...   Feb 2 2013, 00:25
- - greynol   Let's get back on topic, please.   Feb 2 2013, 00:44


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