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post Jan 2 2013, 01:02
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Time really does fly...AccurateRip has now been running for 10 years and has processed 143 million discs over those years and has been used by almost quarter of a million people, it is satisfying to know that there are this many people who care about the quality of their rips.

Here is to the next 10 years...


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jkauff
post Jan 3 2013, 13:27
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Spoon, in my opinion you and Andre both deserve the gold medal for your contributions to truly secure ripping. Too bad the CD medium itself is in decline--someday soon no one will be ripping anything. Fortunately, you still make the best trans-coding software, too, so you'll never be out of work.

Congratulations on 10 great years. emot-toot.gif
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post Jan 3 2013, 13:33
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QUOTE (jkauff @ Jan 3 2013, 21:27) *
Spoon, in my opinion you and Andre both deserve the gold medal for your contributions to truly secure ripping. Too bad the CD medium itself is in decline--someday soon no one will be ripping anything. Fortunately, you still make the best trans-coding software, too, so you'll never be out of work.

Congratulations on 10 great years. emot-toot.gif


That is my biggest frustration. CD's are indecline and being replaced by crappy lossy iTunes and MP3's. If only iTunes provided a lossless version sad.gif
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post Jan 3 2013, 13:52
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I assume you mean the iTunes Store, since iTunes supports ALAC. I don't think you'll have to wait too long. The Apple Media Guide that was released several months ago requests content providers to provide remastered-for-hi-res 24/96 source files to Apple for the iTunes Store. Rumor has it that they're going to adopt the HD-AAC codec, which allows for having one hi-res lossless source file (up to 24/192) from which you can extract or stream lossy AAC and/or downsampled 16/44 lossless files (I don't know if these would also be HD-AAC or transcoded to ALAC for compatibility). Expect to see HDTracks-type prices, especially now that HDTracks is offering ALAC files for the same price as FLAC.

I would guess that spoon is looking into how much it would cost to license HD-AAC for dbPoweramp. Personally, I'd pay more for the Reference version if it supported HD-AAC.

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post Jan 3 2013, 13:58
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QUOTE (jkauff @ Jan 3 2013, 13:52) *
I don't think you'll have to wait too long. The Apple Media Guide that was released several months ago requests content providers to provide remastered-for-hi-res 24/96 source files to Apple for the iTunes Store. Rumor has it that they're going to adopt the HD-AAC codec, which allows for having one hi-res lossless source file (up to 24/192) from which you can extract or stream lossy AAC and/or downsampled 16/44 lossless files (I don't know if these would also be HD-AAC or transcoded to ALAC for compatibility). Expect to see HDTracks-type prices, especially now that HDTracks is offering ALAC files for the same price as FLAC.
You're making this sound as if this development was a good thing. Pointless overpriced hi-res downloads (especially if tied to a certain piece of software or vendor) will not improve anything, the next big step would be to offer multichannel audio.

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post Jan 3 2013, 14:43
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QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 3 2013, 06:58) *
QUOTE (jkauff @ Jan 3 2013, 13:52) *
...Rumor has it that they're going to adopt the HD-AAC codec, which allows for having one hi-res lossless source file (up to 24/192) from which you can extract or stream lossy AAC and/or downsampled 16/44 lossless files...
You're making this sound as if this development was a good thing. Pointless overpriced hi-res downloads...


If the average price of an iTunes "album" is about 10 USD and the average price of a CD in the US is 15 USD, how pointless is paying a few extra dollars for a "hi-res" iTunes version that can at least be the same quality as the CD?

I don't think that (the fact that a subset of people believe they hear the difference between "hi-res" and Redbook) obscures the fact that there are indeed obvious benefits to be had from obtaining a lossless source for my money.

The foremost and most obvious benefit is having a lossless source to make our own lossy encodes from...something the OP is more than willing to help us all out with smile.gif I personally don't care if they market it as "sonically superior" or "better than 16-44.1" to the masses. This forum will likely still exist as a bastion of reason for those who don't seem to understand the Nyquist Sampling Theorem.

It may not be better than Redbook, but it certainly shouldn't be worse.

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post Jan 3 2013, 18:06
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QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Jan 3 2013, 14:43) *
If the average price of an iTunes "album" is about 10 USD and the average price of a CD in the US is 15 USD, how pointless is paying a few extra dollars for a "hi-res" iTunes version that can at least be the same quality as the CD?
You don't know anything about the quality until you listened to the tracks. Mastering practices affect audio quality far more than technical details like hi-res or even lossy encoding. I'd be even more unwilling to spend more money and more time downloading something which will likely sound just as bad as before. Masterdisk has proven (with I'm with You by the RHCP) that "Mastered for iTunes" is just a marketing tool. Audio formats are highly unimportant if the master itself sounds horrible.

QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Jan 3 2013, 14:43) *
I don't think that (the fact that a subset of people believe they hear the difference between "hi-res" and Redbook) obscures the fact that there are indeed obvious benefits to be had from obtaining a lossless source for my money.

The foremost and most obvious benefit is having a lossless source to make our own lossy encodes from...something the OP is more than willing to help us all out with smile.gif I personally don't care if they market it as "sonically superior" or "better than 16-44.1" to the masses.
Lossless downloads already exist, but the benefit is really minimal. MP3 (and even AAC) support is ubiquitous today, and will likely be for a long time, the need to transcode to other formats is negligible. Also, see my point above, audio formats hardly matter.

But I understand the often mentioned sentiment that hi-res might "by accident" lead to better mastering practices again. If that's the case, I will likely also favor it, but specifically not for its technical merits.

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post Jan 8 2013, 03:41
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I want to thank spoon for not only having the idea of a database, but then actually acting on it and implementing it. I hope AccurateRip sticks around the life of the CD, plus 75 years. tongue.gif

QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 3 2013, 12:06) *
Lossless downloads already exist, but the benefit is really minimal. MP3 (and even AAC) support is ubiquitous today, and will likely be for a long time, the need to transcode to other formats is negligible. Also, see my point above, audio formats hardly matter.


I have no objection to the truth of what you say from an audibility standpoint. I just think if you see no significant benefit to lossless music in the first place, surely AccurateRip is of even less value since its purpose isn't really to catch big, audible defects like skips, most often it's some small number of samples that have gone wrong. Seems to me the logical end of that line of thinking is that you might as well skip dBpowerAMP or EAC and setting them up properly and rip CDs that are in good condition with Windows Media Player.
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- spoon   AccurateRip 10 years old   Jan 2 2013, 01:02
- - pdq   Congratulations spoon! Well done!   Jan 2 2013, 03:47
- - Eli   QUOTE (spoon @ Jan 1 2013, 19:02) Here is...   Jan 3 2013, 03:39
- - ZhuGeLiang   Thanks spoon for all the hard work! It really ...   Jan 3 2013, 05:04
|- - BFG   I only discovered AR about a year ago and already ...   Jan 3 2013, 07:19
|- - Eli   QUOTE (BFG @ Jan 3 2013, 01:19) Someone m...   Jan 10 2013, 01:56
- - Engelsstaub   spoon, you're awesome and your work is greatly...   Jan 3 2013, 07:30
- - Elbart   Hip, hip, hooray.   Jan 3 2013, 08:37
- - funkyblue   Congrats Glad people are still purchasing your s...   Jan 3 2013, 09:10
- - jkauff   Spoon, in my opinion you and Andre both deserve th...   Jan 3 2013, 13:27
|- - funkyblue   QUOTE (jkauff @ Jan 3 2013, 21:27) Spoon,...   Jan 3 2013, 13:33
|- - jkauff   I assume you mean the iTunes Store, since iTunes s...   Jan 3 2013, 13:52
|- - funkyblue   Yeah that was what I meant. I do not want remaste...   Jan 3 2013, 13:57
|- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (jkauff @ Jan 3 2013, 13:52) I don...   Jan 3 2013, 13:58
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 3 2013, 06:58) QUOT...   Jan 3 2013, 14:43
|- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Jan 3 2013, 14:43) I...   Jan 3 2013, 18:06
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 3 2013, 11:06) ...M...   Jan 3 2013, 19:16
|- - _if   I want to thank spoon for not only having the idea...   Jan 8 2013, 03:41
|- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (_if @ Jan 8 2013, 03:41) I have no...   Jan 8 2013, 06:38
- - 2Bdecided   Congratulations spoon - thank you for a great tool...   Jan 7 2013, 15:59
- - OliP   And who invented and administrates the database???...   Jan 7 2013, 23:03
|- - db1989   QUOTE (OliP @ Jan 7 2013, 22:03) And who ...   Jan 7 2013, 23:11
|- - Nessuno   QUOTE (OliP @ Jan 7 2013, 23:03) And why ...   Jan 7 2013, 23:24
- - spoon   It was invented by me, it is operated these days b...   Jan 7 2013, 23:16
- - spoon   There are more new submissions now than at any tim...   Jan 7 2013, 23:27
|- - funkyblue   QUOTE (spoon @ Jan 8 2013, 07:27) There a...   Jan 8 2013, 00:52
|- - julf   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Jan 8 2013, 00:52) I w...   Jan 8 2013, 11:31
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- - soundping   I use and add to the AccurateRip database.   Jan 8 2013, 01:08
- - _if   I know what you mean, I'm just saying isn...   Jan 8 2013, 08:39
- - Kohlrabi   Thank you. I was really off-topic on that one. B...   Jan 8 2013, 08:43
- - Pop   thx, I admire your efforts   Jan 10 2013, 20:13
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