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almostmitch
post Nov 28 2012, 07:43
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I was set on constructing an analogue system, but I have seen several users criticize the various aspects of the vinyl medium.
(sound quality/accuracy, cost of equipment, effort to play/digitize)

I'm 20 years old and have never truly experienced vinyl. However, I am extremely intrigued by it. I very much like the idea of setting up an affordable but quality system to listen to vinyls on. Also, I would be digitizing my dads old albums and some of my own. I look at it as more of a hobby/interest than its practicality regarding current tech and sound quality. I like the idea of starting a record collection and listening to them with my friends. The nostalgia and audio technology are other aspects that interest me (big tech geek here). I'm aware of the imperfections of vinyl's sound and this is why I want to make sure I get a quality system to achieve the best possible sound the LP will produce (within budget). For my system, I had the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon and a pair of decent floor standing speakers in mind but was not set on which components I wanted to use with it (pre-amp + receiver, integrated amp, or just a receiver w/ phono inputs). This was originally the question I was going to ask you guys. Something I could connect my computer to in order to play music files is something I'd like to be able to do. I have always cared about sound quality and the majority of my albums are perfect CD rips (.flac). I currently do not have a hi-fi system to fully enjoy my music on which is another reason why I'm looking to purchase one. Also, this is something I plan to take with me and enjoy for many years to come.

-So I ask, how do you like the vinyl experience compared to the CD experience? Can the added complexities with vinyl add to the experience?
-Also, if I decide to go for a system, which device(s) combination might produce the best sound quality at a reasonable price?

Thanks for any input!
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post Nov 29 2012, 16:08
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QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Nov 28 2012, 17:22) *
When it comes to phono cartridges, I figure you can't go wrong with Shure's best which you can get for less than $100, so I wouldn't spend much more than that.

Of course, good speakers will be nice with analog and digital sources. When it comes to sound quality, speakers make the biggest difference (especially with a digital source).


The Debut Carbon ships with the Ortofon 2M Red which, from what I've read, is very respectable. One reason why I was set on this TT.
I'll be sure to choose speakers of the best quality I can afford, b/c even if the TT starts to see less usage, the speakers will still be used for my digital files.
As for recievers/amps, I had this in mind. From what I've seen it has good functionality and power for the price. One thing I'm still unsure about is impedance and how to correctly match wattage between the amp and speakers. If this amp is rated at 60 watts a channel, my speakers will need to handle at least that much, correct? Or is there more to it?


QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Nov 28 2012, 21:42) *
I just connect my iPod Touch to my receiver via a cheap headphone jack-to-RCA cable. I thought about buying a dock but when I heard the "cheap solution" it sounded terrific. (Substitute "iPod Touch" for whatever device you use to playback your digital files as appropriate.) They perform well above their price-point IMO. It doesn't hurt that they say "Polk Audio" on them either. Resale value is often found in a recognized brand name. smile.gif They will pack more than enough punch: I was prepared to add a sub, but after I heard them in my room I happily noticed that that wouldn't be necessary.

So I would spend at least that much on speakers, or you'll quickly come down with a really itchy case of upgradeitis from cheap ones. If you want to be thrifty, I recommend doing so on the receiver. You could always find a good used one at a thrift store or on Craigslist. 2-channel amp is preferable for your usage.

...but as to the tired vinyl vs. digital debate: If we keep bringing it up over and over it's sort of like trying to resurrect that proverbial dead horse; it has long since been beaten to death and rotted away.


I'll use the 3.5 mm to RCA to connect my laptop. Seems like the most logical option. As for the speakers, they are the last thing I want to be thrifty on. You make a strong case for the Polks. I'm not sure if their bass will satisfy a guy that's used to two 12 inch woofers worth of bass. So I'll just have to try em and see, I can always add a sub. I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing that would make these floor standing speakers worth the extra $100 over the seemingly identical bookshelf speakers you suggested.
I agree with your last point. Vinyl just isn't the best or logical option anymore.

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Thanks for the very informative read. I'm glad I know that information now and not after it's too late.


QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ Nov 29 2012, 07:12) *
Audio Technica LP120-USB

Plus a built in phono pre amp and USB connection.

I find it hard to believe the internals can be up to the standard of the venerable 1210s but you never know? With a sticker price of 219 it looks a bargain whichever way you look at it.


Discogs is an excellent site for the vinyl enthusiast.
That's all you need mate. Good luck and have fun.


Thanks for the info. I think I'd feel safer spending an extra $100 for the belt drive, and more reputable cartridge on the Debut Carbon, but I will take the Audio Technica into consideration. And yes I agree, Discogs is an excellent resource, been using it for some time now.
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QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 29 2012, 10:08) *
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I'll use the 3.5 mm to RCA to connect my laptop. Seems like the most logical option. As for the speakers, they are the last thing I want to be thrifty on. You make a strong case for the Polks. I'm not sure if their bass will satisfy a guy that's used to two 12 inch woofers worth of bass. So I'll just have to try em and see, I can always add a sub. I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing that would make these floor standing speakers worth the extra $100 over the seemingly identical bookshelf speakers you suggested.
I agree with your last point. Vinyl just isn't the best or logical option anymore.


If you have the room for those floor-standing Polks, I think you should scoop them up. A powered sub may be in order, based on your musical tastes, but that can be had at a later time if you're running low on funds. I'm not the best person to ask about bass-related stuff: about the only album I own that would really give a sub some work is my Paul's Boutique record by the Beastie Boys.

BTW: I'm not trying to discourage you from getting into vinyl...I like it. I had very few records in the eighties as a kid. Mostly cassettes. That boiled down to convenience then as digital does now. (Except digital doesn't suck ass like cassettes did...that's an analogue format I have no nostalgia for.)

I think that the case for wear of records is often overstated. (Ditto for "speed variations" but that's another story.) I pick up used eighties American vinyl of unknown origin quite frequently. Granted I get picky over the way it looks before I buy it...but none of them sound "worn" and many sound better than some of the new vinyl I have. Your stylus OTOH should be replaced as needed. The records themselves really only have to last for your lifetime or as long as you use them. Your grandchildren aren't going to want a record collection of your old-fart music. wink.gif


QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ Nov 29 2012, 07:12) *
Audio Technica LP120-USB

It is dead ringer for the now discontinued and much missed, classic Technics 1210 DD turntable. With all the standard tweeks pre implemented. Plus a built in phono pre amp and USB connection. The AT95E cartridge is pretty decent as well.

Looks to be an excellent one stop shop for the aspiring vinylophile.

I find it hard to believe the internals can be up to the standard of the venerable 1210s but you never know? With a sticker price of 219 it looks a bargain whichever way you look at it.

Anyone have any hands on experience to report?

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@ RonaldDumsfeld: If you have time and revisit this thread could you tell me a bit more about those pre-implemented tweaks? I'm really curious about this TT as well. I'm actually considering paying about 1200 USD for a NIB SL-1210. If this is even close to it for that sort of price, I'd be mighty stupid to not want to spend that extra cash I could save on something else.


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- almostmitch   To get into vinyl, or not?   Nov 28 2012, 07:43
- - Glenn Gundlach   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 27 2012, 22:43) ...   Nov 28 2012, 08:18
- - Light-Fire   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 02:43) ...   Nov 28 2012, 08:19
|- - Nessuno   Upon reading the first post I was preparing to wri...   Nov 28 2012, 09:08
|- - clobon   QUOTE (Light-Fire @ Nov 28 2012, 09...   Nov 30 2012, 16:30
- - Engelsstaub   Do it, almostmitch. The Pro-Ject Debut III is a d...   Nov 28 2012, 09:01
- - Kohlrabi   The merits of vinyl are larger artwork (if you car...   Nov 28 2012, 09:46
- - Porcus   What about the following compromise: - listen to ...   Nov 28 2012, 10:38
- - dhromed   Vinyl is entirely about the ritual around the medi...   Nov 28 2012, 10:50
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (dhromed @ Nov 28 2012, 04:50) Viny...   Nov 28 2012, 13:42
- - 2Bdecided   It's fun (if you like that kind of fun), but a...   Nov 28 2012, 11:01
|- - Destroid   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 28 2012, 11:01) Ot...   Nov 28 2012, 12:13
- - rgtb   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Nov 28 2012, 13:42) ...   Nov 28 2012, 15:57
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (rgtb @ Nov 28 2012, 09:57) ...I ra...   Nov 28 2012, 18:19
- - mjb2006   Digitizing vinyl is fun and educational. You are e...   Nov 28 2012, 17:17
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Nov 28 2012, 11:17) As f...   Dec 4 2012, 03:16
- - cliveb   I have a soft spot for vinyl, but let's not tr...   Nov 28 2012, 17:59
- - almostmitch   Thanks for the responses guys, great input. I...   Nov 28 2012, 18:08
|- - greynol   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 09:08) ...   Nov 28 2012, 18:53
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 18:08) ...   Nov 28 2012, 19:42
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Nov 28 2012, 11:17) Digi...   Nov 28 2012, 22:08
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 16:08) ...   Nov 29 2012, 03:42
- - DVDdoug   I grew up with vinyl, and I always hated the ...   Nov 28 2012, 23:22
- - Porcus   If you are playing old vinyls, and at the risk of ...   Nov 29 2012, 10:20
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (cliveb @ Nov 28 2012, 16:59) I hav...   Nov 29 2012, 10:51
|- - dhromed   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 29 2012, 10:51) Li...   Nov 29 2012, 11:34
|- - pdq   QUOTE (dhromed @ Nov 29 2012, 05:34) QUOT...   Nov 29 2012, 14:38
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE which device(s) combination might produce th...   Nov 29 2012, 13:12
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Nov 28 2012, 17:22) When...   Nov 29 2012, 16:08
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 29 2012, 10:08) ...   Nov 29 2012, 17:19
- - pdq   I wouldn't worry about impedances and wattage ...   Nov 29 2012, 16:31
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE One thing I'm still unsure about is impe...   Nov 29 2012, 20:12
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (pdq @ Nov 29 2012, 10:31) I wouldn...   Nov 29 2012, 22:26
- - botface   The most important thing is to ensure you set up t...   Nov 30 2012, 09:42
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE I'd feel safer spending an extra $1...   Nov 30 2012, 14:40
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (botface @ Nov 30 2012, 03:42) The ...   Dec 3 2012, 14:43
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Dec 3 2012, 08:43) Q...   Dec 3 2012, 16:42
||- - rgtb   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 3 2012, 16:42) A...   Dec 4 2012, 08:24
||- - cliveb   QUOTE (rgtb @ Dec 4 2012, 07:24) in what ...   Dec 4 2012, 10:09
||- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (rgtb @ Dec 4 2012, 02:24) QUOTE (E...   Dec 4 2012, 15:46
||- - rgtb   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 4 2012, 15:46) I...   Dec 4 2012, 17:58
||- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (rgtb @ Dec 4 2012, 11:58) QUOTE (E...   Dec 4 2012, 22:08
|- - botface   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Dec 3 2012, 13:43) Q...   Dec 3 2012, 19:49
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 3 2012, 10:42) I...   Dec 3 2012, 18:20
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (botface @ Dec 3 2012, 13:49) I gue...   Dec 3 2012, 20:15
- - greynol   When you say something without obvious emphasis (b...   Dec 5 2012, 00:09
- - Engelsstaub   That's fair enough, greynol. I was providing h...   Dec 5 2012, 00:22
- - greynol   Yes, that you have been helpful was not lost on me...   Dec 5 2012, 07:51
- - Engelsstaub   I apologize for the tone and my part in the bicker...   Dec 5 2012, 15:14
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 5 2012, 09:14) A...   Dec 5 2012, 15:52
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Dec 5 2012, 14:52) I...   Dec 5 2012, 16:25
- - Engelsstaub   Mine has a plastic flange, so I would actually pre...   Dec 5 2012, 16:54
- - 2Bdecided   I've had two Goldrings, bought from the same s...   Dec 5 2012, 17:26
|- - Nessuno   I have one of those with plastic pivoting flange (...   Dec 5 2012, 18:30
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Nessuno @ Dec 5 2012, 11:30) ... ...   Dec 5 2012, 19:08
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 5 2012, 18:08) I...   Dec 5 2012, 20:36
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