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almostmitch
post Nov 28 2012, 07:43
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I was set on constructing an analogue system, but I have seen several users criticize the various aspects of the vinyl medium.
(sound quality/accuracy, cost of equipment, effort to play/digitize)

I'm 20 years old and have never truly experienced vinyl. However, I am extremely intrigued by it. I very much like the idea of setting up an affordable but quality system to listen to vinyls on. Also, I would be digitizing my dads old albums and some of my own. I look at it as more of a hobby/interest than its practicality regarding current tech and sound quality. I like the idea of starting a record collection and listening to them with my friends. The nostalgia and audio technology are other aspects that interest me (big tech geek here). I'm aware of the imperfections of vinyl's sound and this is why I want to make sure I get a quality system to achieve the best possible sound the LP will produce (within budget). For my system, I had the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon and a pair of decent floor standing speakers in mind but was not set on which components I wanted to use with it (pre-amp + receiver, integrated amp, or just a receiver w/ phono inputs). This was originally the question I was going to ask you guys. Something I could connect my computer to in order to play music files is something I'd like to be able to do. I have always cared about sound quality and the majority of my albums are perfect CD rips (.flac). I currently do not have a hi-fi system to fully enjoy my music on which is another reason why I'm looking to purchase one. Also, this is something I plan to take with me and enjoy for many years to come.

-So I ask, how do you like the vinyl experience compared to the CD experience? Can the added complexities with vinyl add to the experience?
-Also, if I decide to go for a system, which device(s) combination might produce the best sound quality at a reasonable price?

Thanks for any input!
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almostmitch
post Nov 28 2012, 18:08
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Thanks for the responses guys, great input. I'll steal statements from various posts to discuss further.

QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Nov 28 2012, 03:01) *
Do it, almostmitch.

Appreciating and collecting music, on any format, is about fun and what's right for the individual. Your system doesn't have to "measure well" as long as the sound is pleasing to your ears. Some people are understandably sick of records and have long moved on to digital. I personally am grateful for both.
Long story short: I don't care about the format as much as I do about the music.

Make sure you get a decent carbon-fibre brush and keep your needle clean.


I agree completely and thanks for the tip. I think it's obvious that had I grown up with vinyl and not in the digital age this post would not exist. I can see how those who didn't have the convenience of digital mediums at first are sick of vinyls. I can see myself caring less about the quality of vinyls as a trade off for the nostalgia and curiosity of equipment. Well said though, Engelsstaub, it is more about the music, less about format/quality; even if that's against a typical audiophile's views.

QUOTE (Porcus @ Nov 28 2012, 04:38) *
What about the following compromise:

- listen to your files
- buy vinyl albums you really care about, rather than other merchandise
- save the money you could have spent on a turntable on a few good-looking solid metal frames, and hang them on your wall in your living room


This is a great idea and I will almost for sure frame the vinyl I do purchase. However, seeing the album art on my walls and knowing I can't listen to the physical record would get under my skin. Recommendation of cheap yet protective vinyl sleeves so I can get the best of both worlds here? (hang the art, have the vinyl readily available to play)

QUOTE (dhromed @ Nov 28 2012, 04:50) *
Vinyl is entirely about the ritual around the medium; the physical item and the machinery required to play it. It's not about the music.


I agree with this, however, I very much care about the music as well. IMO a stack of great vinyls is a far more impressive and tangible collection than a list of file names on an LCD smile.gif

QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 28 2012, 05:01) *
It's fun (if you like that kind of fun), but a lot of the benefits are in the minds of the listeners, rather than based in reality. Other people genuinely like the subtle distortion, speed variations, noise, and often smiley-face EQ of well-regarded vinyl rigs.


Well said and I agree. I feel like I may fall into this category.

QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Nov 28 2012, 07:42) *
As a side-note: I've rarely come across a modern record so inherently bad that it made me run right back to it's dynamically-clipped CD counterpart. When a nearly-flawless digital medium is so plagued with such completely avoidable flaws it makes the far more subtle but inherent flaws of the analogue medium inconsequential in comparison.


This sort of verifies the hunch I had that for the most part modern vinyls won't have as many nuances and sound as bad as an LP that's 20, 30+ years old.
Also helpful in the sense that almost all of the music I plan to purchase was released within the last 10 years or so. (exceptions of course)

QUOTE (rgtb @ Nov 28 2012, 09:57) *
I rarely encounter a modern record where it is obvious that it came off a different master than the CD counterpart. I mean, yeah, if I can choose between a 1986 vinyl and a 2012 re-issue on CD that's newly remastered, I will sometimes go for the 1986 vinyl. But if I get to choose between a 2012 release either on vinyl or on CD, I prefer the CD almost always.


I'm not sure how to interpret this. If the LP is of the same master as the CD, will it likely be of better quality, or the opposite?

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on what type of rig I should use to tie my speakers and TT together to achieve the best sound? While keeping a modest price tag that is.
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QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 09:08) *
QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 28 2012, 05:01) *
It's fun (if you like that kind of fun), but a lot of the benefits are in the minds of the listeners, rather than based in reality. Other people genuinely like the subtle distortion, speed variations, noise, and often smiley-face EQ of well-regarded vinyl rigs.

Well said and I agree. I feel like I may fall into this category.

Which category? You quoted two.

QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 09:08) *
almost all of the music I plan to purchase was released within the last 10 years or so.

Looking for vinyl titles that are not subjected to the same disgusting DRC as their counterparts on CD is going to be a crapshoot.

QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 09:08) *
If the LP is of the same master as the CD, will it likely be of better quality, or the opposite?

If differences can be detected and you aren't predisposed to like the artifacts of vinyl, the CD is guaranteed to be superior.


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- almostmitch   To get into vinyl, or not?   Nov 28 2012, 07:43
- - Glenn Gundlach   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 27 2012, 22:43) ...   Nov 28 2012, 08:18
- - Light-Fire   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 02:43) ...   Nov 28 2012, 08:19
|- - Nessuno   Upon reading the first post I was preparing to wri...   Nov 28 2012, 09:08
|- - clobon   QUOTE (Light-Fire @ Nov 28 2012, 09...   Nov 30 2012, 16:30
- - Engelsstaub   Do it, almostmitch. The Pro-Ject Debut III is a d...   Nov 28 2012, 09:01
- - Kohlrabi   The merits of vinyl are larger artwork (if you car...   Nov 28 2012, 09:46
- - Porcus   What about the following compromise: - listen to ...   Nov 28 2012, 10:38
- - dhromed   Vinyl is entirely about the ritual around the medi...   Nov 28 2012, 10:50
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (dhromed @ Nov 28 2012, 04:50) Viny...   Nov 28 2012, 13:42
- - 2Bdecided   It's fun (if you like that kind of fun), but a...   Nov 28 2012, 11:01
|- - Destroid   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 28 2012, 11:01) Ot...   Nov 28 2012, 12:13
- - rgtb   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Nov 28 2012, 13:42) ...   Nov 28 2012, 15:57
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (rgtb @ Nov 28 2012, 09:57) ...I ra...   Nov 28 2012, 18:19
- - mjb2006   Digitizing vinyl is fun and educational. You are e...   Nov 28 2012, 17:17
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Nov 28 2012, 11:17) As f...   Dec 4 2012, 03:16
- - cliveb   I have a soft spot for vinyl, but let's not tr...   Nov 28 2012, 17:59
- - almostmitch   Thanks for the responses guys, great input. I...   Nov 28 2012, 18:08
|- - greynol   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 09:08) ...   Nov 28 2012, 18:53
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 18:08) ...   Nov 28 2012, 19:42
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Nov 28 2012, 11:17) Digi...   Nov 28 2012, 22:08
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 28 2012, 16:08) ...   Nov 29 2012, 03:42
- - DVDdoug   I grew up with vinyl, and I always hated the ...   Nov 28 2012, 23:22
- - Porcus   If you are playing old vinyls, and at the risk of ...   Nov 29 2012, 10:20
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (cliveb @ Nov 28 2012, 16:59) I hav...   Nov 29 2012, 10:51
|- - dhromed   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 29 2012, 10:51) Li...   Nov 29 2012, 11:34
|- - pdq   QUOTE (dhromed @ Nov 29 2012, 05:34) QUOT...   Nov 29 2012, 14:38
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE which device(s) combination might produce th...   Nov 29 2012, 13:12
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Nov 28 2012, 17:22) When...   Nov 29 2012, 16:08
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Nov 29 2012, 10:08) ...   Nov 29 2012, 17:19
- - pdq   I wouldn't worry about impedances and wattage ...   Nov 29 2012, 16:31
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE One thing I'm still unsure about is impe...   Nov 29 2012, 20:12
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (pdq @ Nov 29 2012, 10:31) I wouldn...   Nov 29 2012, 22:26
- - botface   The most important thing is to ensure you set up t...   Nov 30 2012, 09:42
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE I'd feel safer spending an extra $1...   Nov 30 2012, 14:40
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (botface @ Nov 30 2012, 03:42) The ...   Dec 3 2012, 14:43
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Dec 3 2012, 08:43) Q...   Dec 3 2012, 16:42
||- - rgtb   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 3 2012, 16:42) A...   Dec 4 2012, 08:24
||- - cliveb   QUOTE (rgtb @ Dec 4 2012, 07:24) in what ...   Dec 4 2012, 10:09
||- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (rgtb @ Dec 4 2012, 02:24) QUOTE (E...   Dec 4 2012, 15:46
||- - rgtb   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 4 2012, 15:46) I...   Dec 4 2012, 17:58
||- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (rgtb @ Dec 4 2012, 11:58) QUOTE (E...   Dec 4 2012, 22:08
|- - botface   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Dec 3 2012, 13:43) Q...   Dec 3 2012, 19:49
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 3 2012, 10:42) I...   Dec 3 2012, 18:20
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (botface @ Dec 3 2012, 13:49) I gue...   Dec 3 2012, 20:15
- - greynol   When you say something without obvious emphasis (b...   Dec 5 2012, 00:09
- - Engelsstaub   That's fair enough, greynol. I was providing h...   Dec 5 2012, 00:22
- - greynol   Yes, that you have been helpful was not lost on me...   Dec 5 2012, 07:51
- - Engelsstaub   I apologize for the tone and my part in the bicker...   Dec 5 2012, 15:14
- - almostmitch   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 5 2012, 09:14) A...   Dec 5 2012, 15:52
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (almostmitch @ Dec 5 2012, 14:52) I...   Dec 5 2012, 16:25
- - Engelsstaub   Mine has a plastic flange, so I would actually pre...   Dec 5 2012, 16:54
- - 2Bdecided   I've had two Goldrings, bought from the same s...   Dec 5 2012, 17:26
|- - Nessuno   I have one of those with plastic pivoting flange (...   Dec 5 2012, 18:30
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Nessuno @ Dec 5 2012, 11:30) ... ...   Dec 5 2012, 19:08
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 5 2012, 18:08) I...   Dec 5 2012, 20:36
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (cliveb @ Dec 5 2012, 13:36) QUOTE ...   Dec 5 2012, 21:04
- - J.Philippe   One thing that might be worth mentioning is that m...   Dec 5 2012, 18:21


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