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funkyblue
post Nov 13 2012, 03:34
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Hello All

I have not been keeping with the latest goings on in the last few years.

Is these a consensus on an audio format vs file size that is mostly transparent?

I have always used V2 with LAME. (I still remember the --r3mix option!)

Currently I encoded a bunch of stuff with -V4 for portable usage and it has been great.

Is there any other file formats or options that give the smallest file size that is mostly transparent?

I know mostly transparent is not a scientific analysis but I am unsure if there is a happy medium now?

Thanks in advance.





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IgorC
post Nov 14 2012, 17:06
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It's not that simple and linear.

The conditions between two ABX sessions vary a lot. Add to it personal prejudice about that higher bitrate produce better results (no matter what encoder) and faster abort of ABX session with claim of transparency. Typical case.

Shortly ABX isn't meant for comparison between two and more encoders. Well, If You search for average level of transparency but later still You will try to make a conclusion that encoder A is better than encoder B . So, no go. Only ABC/HR.
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post Nov 15 2012, 01:49
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QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 15 2012, 01:06) *
It's not that simple and linear.

The conditions between two ABX sessions vary a lot. Add to it personal prejudice about that higher bitrate produce better results (no matter what encoder) and faster abort of ABX session with claim of transparency. Typical case.

Shortly ABX isn't meant for comparison between two and more encoders. Well, If You search for average level of transparency but later still You will try to make a conclusion that encoder A is better than encoder B . So, no go. Only ABC/HR.


That is true. I lean towards LAME -V4 because it is larger in size. My mind still has issues with low bit rates.

That being said I just tried to ABX 5 songs at random as a quick test on 112 AAC and could not.

Is there a guide to setup and do a proper test for say 10 tracks and I can pick various bitrates?

It is annoying in Foobar to have to do 2 at a time and listening to the same samples over and over.
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- funkyblue   Smallest File / Mostly Transparent Encoder?   Nov 13 2012, 03:34
- - saratoga   For portable use, probably -V5 in lame would be fi...   Nov 13 2012, 03:42
|- - funkyblue   QUOTE (saratoga @ Nov 13 2012, 11:42) For...   Nov 13 2012, 04:20
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Nov 12 2012, 23:20) QU...   Nov 13 2012, 06:39
- - IgorC   There is a search function in the top-right corner...   Nov 13 2012, 04:55
|- - BFG   For transparency and portability, it's still t...   Nov 13 2012, 05:06
|- - funkyblue   QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 13 2012, 12:55) There ...   Nov 13 2012, 05:47
- - eahm   I can even suggest you AAC True VBR q36 (~95kbps) ...   Nov 13 2012, 06:38
- - Anakunda   Check hardware specs of the target player and if i...   Nov 13 2012, 08:06
|- - Nessuno   Why don't take a different approach to this ma...   Nov 13 2012, 09:26
- - Porcus   Is this for keeping your only copy, or is it for t...   Nov 13 2012, 09:23
|- - funkyblue   QUOTE (Porcus @ Nov 13 2012, 17:23) Is th...   Nov 13 2012, 10:09
- - shadowking   IMO, MP3 takes the crown . Others may be better t...   Nov 13 2012, 11:07
|- - funkyblue   QUOTE (shadowking @ Nov 13 2012, 19:07) I...   Nov 13 2012, 12:18
- - skamp   Opus at ~128 kbps is also pretty good (I couldn...   Nov 13 2012, 11:20
- - punkrockdude   I hope the developer on DeaDBeeF changes his mind ...   Nov 13 2012, 12:16
- - Brand   Based on my own limited testing, I'd say the l...   Nov 13 2012, 12:57
- - yourlord   Do some test encodes of OGG Vorbis or AAC targetin...   Nov 13 2012, 14:21
- - IgorC   A personal listening test of AAC and MP3. http://d...   Nov 13 2012, 15:07
- - funkyblue   OK Thanks IgorC I did take a look at the listenin...   Nov 13 2012, 15:23
- - pdq   Just a thought, for less than $40 you can get...   Nov 13 2012, 15:44
- - funkyblue   Yeah I could get another MP3 player, but I am only...   Nov 13 2012, 15:57
- - funkyblue   So I have managed to get this to work: qaac.exe i...   Nov 13 2012, 16:13
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Nov 13 2012, 12:13) -V...   Nov 13 2012, 16:48
|- - eahm   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Nov 13 2012, 08:13) So...   Nov 13 2012, 19:02
|- - funkyblue   QUOTE (eahm @ Nov 14 2012, 04:02) QUOTE (...   Nov 21 2012, 05:20
|- - eahm   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Nov 20 2012, 21:20) QU...   Nov 21 2012, 06:18
- - Brand   For the FhG AAC encoder see here. The encoder .exe...   Nov 13 2012, 16:17
- - greensdrive   check QAAC's wiki, https://github.com/nu774/qa...   Nov 13 2012, 16:20
|- - funkyblue   QUOTE (greensdrive @ Nov 14 2012, 00:20) ...   Nov 13 2012, 16:24
- - funkyblue   Is there a somewhat consensus that FhG is better t...   Nov 13 2012, 16:21
|- - Brand   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Nov 13 2012, 17:21) Is...   Nov 13 2012, 16:51
|- - eahm   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Nov 13 2012, 08:21) Is...   Nov 14 2012, 19:07
- - greensdrive   my foobar2000 command line for approximately 128 k...   Nov 13 2012, 16:44
- - funkyblue   QUOTE (greensdrive @ Nov 14 2012, 00:44) ...   Nov 13 2012, 16:53
- - funkyblue   I am truly shocked at the quality of 96kbits! ...   Nov 13 2012, 17:28
- - yourlord   What kind of phone? All Android phones will play O...   Nov 13 2012, 18:12
- - pdq   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Nov 13 2012, 06:18) I ...   Nov 13 2012, 18:33
- - funkyblue   I could ABX 112kbits. Could not ABX files in Lame ...   Nov 14 2012, 15:18
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Nov 14 2012, 11:18) I ...   Nov 14 2012, 16:37
- - pdq   It appears that funkyblue is only using ABX to dis...   Nov 14 2012, 16:52
- - IgorC   It's not that simple and linear. The conditi...   Nov 14 2012, 17:06
|- - funkyblue   QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 15 2012, 01:06) It...   Nov 15 2012, 01:49
- - Brand   But wasn't the only AAC comparison done at ~96...   Nov 14 2012, 19:32
- - eahm   AAC achieve transparency at around 128kbps, obviou...   Nov 14 2012, 20:54
- - IgorC   I'm glad You are open mind. Here is a guid...   Nov 15 2012, 15:10


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