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Lossless Compression Test, FLAC, WP, MA, TAKC, TTA, LA, OF, SHN, WMA
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For the last 2 weeks i have been running a Lossless compression test using a whole range of different lossless codecs. I'm not sure if the results would be helpful to anyone but i thought i would post them up on HA just in case.

-Encoders Tested-

FLAC v1.2.1
Lossless Audio v4b
Monkeys Audio v4.10
OptimFROG v4.910b
QAAC v1.40 (iTunes v10.6.3.25)
Shorten v3.6.1
TAK v2.2.0
TTA v2.1
Wavpack v4.60.1
WMA v9.2 Lossless (Converted with dBpoweramp Music Converter)

-Music Tested-

CODE
+---30 Seconds To Mars
| +---2002 - 30 Seconds To Mars
| +---2006 - A Beautiful Lie
| \---2009 - This Is War
+---311
| \---1995 - 311
+---A
| \---2002 - Hi-Fi Serious
+---A Perfect Circle
| +---2000 - Mer De Noms
| \---2003 - Thirteenth Step
+---AC-DC
| +---1980 - Back In Black
| +---1992 - Live Collector's Edition Disc 1
| \---1992 - Live Collector's Edition Disc 2
+---Adele
| \---2011 - 21
+---AFI
| +---2003 - Sing The Sorrow
| +---2006 - Decemberunderground
| +---2009 - Crash Love
| \---2009 - Crash Love Bonus Disc
+---Alexisonfire
| +---2002 - Alexisonfire
| +---2004 - Watch Out!
| +---2006 - Crisis
| +---2007 - Live At The Manchester Academy Disc 1
| +---2007 - Live At The Manchester Academy Disc 2
| \---2009 - Old Crows - Young Cardinals
+---Alice In Chains
| +---1993 - Jar Of Flies
| +---1996 - Unplugged
| \---2001 - Greatest Hits
+---Alien Ant Farm
| +---2001 - Anthology
| \---2003 - Truant
+---Angels & Airwaves
| +---2006 - We Don't Need To Whisper
| +---2007 - I-Empire
| +---2010 - Love Part One
| \---2011 - Love Part Two
+---Anthrax
| +---1987 - Among The Living
| +---1990 - Persistence Of Time
| +---1993 - Sound Of White Noise
| \---2003 - We've Come For You All
+---Anti-flag
| +---2006 - For Blood And Empire
| +---2007 - A Benefit For Victims Of Violent Crime
| +---2008 - The Bright Lights Of America
| +---2009 - The People Or The Gun
| \---2009 - Which Side Are You On E.p
+---Arctic Monkeys
| \---2007 - Favourite Worst Nightmare
+---Autopilot Off
| \---2004 - Make A Sound
+---Bad Religion
| +---1989 - No Control
| +---1990 - Against The Grain
| +---1993 - Recipe For Hate
| +---1994 - Stranger Than Fiction
| +---1996 - The Gray Race
| +---1997 - Tested
| +---2002 - The Process Of Belief
| +---2004 - The Empire Strikes First
| +---2007 - New Maps Of Hell
| \---2010 - The Dissent Of Man
+---Banco De Gaia
| +---1995 - Last Train To Lhasa Disc 1
| \---1995 - Last Train To Lhasa Disc 2
+---Ben Folds
| +---2001 - Rockin' The Suburbs
| \---2002 - Ben Folds Live
+---Ben Folds Five
| +---1995 - Ben Folds Five
| +---1997 - Whatever And Ever Amen
| \---1999 - The Unauthorized Biography Of Reinhold Messner
+---Billy Joel
| +---1985 - Greatest Hits Disc 1
| \---1985 - Greatest Hits Disc 2
+---Billy Talent
| +---2003 - I
| +---2006 - II
| +---2007 - 666
| \---2009 - III
+---Blink-182
| +---1994 - Buddha
| +---1994 - Cheshire Cat
| +---1997 - Dude Ranch
| +---1999 - Enema Of The State
| +---2000 - The Mark, Tom & Travis Show
| +---2001 - Take Off Your Pants And Jacket
| +---2003 - Blink-182
| \---2011 - Neighborhoods
+---Bob Marley
| \---1984 - Legend
+---Bob Mould
| \---1996 - Bob Mould
+---Bodyjar
| +---1998 - No Touch Red
| +---2000 - How It Works
| \---2005 - Bodyjar
+---Bon Jovi
| \---1986 - Slippery When Wet
+---Bonnie 'Prince' Billy
| +---2006 - The Letting Go
| \---2011 - Wolfroy Goes To Town
+---Bowling For Soup
| \---2004 - A Hangover You Don't Deserve
+---Brand New
| +---2001 - Your Favourite Weapon
| +---2003 - Deja Entendu
| +---2006 - The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me
| \---2009 - Daisy
+---Breaking Benjamin
| +---2002 - Saturate
| +---2004 - Live Ep
| +---2004 - We Are Not Alone
| +---2006 - Phobia
| \---2009 - Dear Agony
+---Cake
| +---1994 - Motorcade Of Generosity
| +---1996 - Fashion Nugget
| +---1998 - Prolonging The Magic
| +---2001 - Comfort Eagle
| +---2004 - Pressure Chief
| \---2011 - Showroom Of Compassion
+---Cat Stevens
| \---1990 - The Very Best Of Cat Stevens
+---Chicago
| \---1997 - Heart Of Chicago 1967 - 1997
+---Cky
| +---2001 - Volume 1
| \---2002 - Infiltrate.Destroy.Rebuild
+---Counting Crows
| \---1993 - August And Everything After
+---Creedence Clearwater Revival
| +---1995 - Chronicle Disc 1
| \---1995 - Chronicle Disc 2
+---Crowded House
| \---1996 - Recurring Dream The Very Best Of
+---Danzig
| \---1988 - Danzig
+---David Bowie
| \---1997 - The Best Of (1969-1974)
+---Deep Purple
| +---1972 - Machine Head- 25th Anniversary Edition Disc 1
| \---1972 - Machine Head- 25th Anniversary Edition Disc 2
+---Def Leppard
| \---1987 - Hysteria
+---Descendents
| \---1996 - Everything Sucks
+---Dire Straits
| \---1998 - Sultans Of Swing - The Very Best Of
+---Disturbed
| +---2000 - The Sickness
| +---2002 - Believe
| +---2005 - Ten Thousand Fists
| +---2008 - Indestructible
| +---2010 - Asylum
| \---2011 - The Lost Children
+---Dragonforce
| \---2006 - Inhuman Rampage
+---Dropkick Murphys
| +---1997 - Do Or Die
| +---2001 - Sing Loud, Sing Proud!
| +---2003 - Blackout
| +---2005 - The Warrior's Code
| +---2007 - The Meanest Of Times
| +---2010 - Live On Lansdowne, Boston MA
| \---2011 - Going Out In Style
+---Easy Star All-Stars
| +---2003 - Dub Side Of The Moon
| +---2006 - Radiodread
| +---2009 - Easy Star's Lonely Hearts Dub Band
| +---2010 - Dubber Side Of The Moon
| \---2012 - Thrillah
+---Elton John
| +---2002 - Greatest Hits 1970 - 2002 Disc 1
| \---2002 - Greatest Hits 1970 - 2002 Disc 2
+---Eric Clapton
| +---1992 - Unplugged
| +---2002 - One More Car, One More Rider - Disc 1
| \---2002 - One More Car, One More Rider - Disc 2
+---Evanescence
| \---2003 - Fallen
+---Extreme
| \---1990 - Pornograffitti
+---Face To Face
| \---1996 - Face To Face
+---Faith No More
| +---1985 - We Care A Lot
| +---1987 - Introduce Yourself
| +---1989 - The Real Thing
| +---1990 - Live At The Brixton Academy
| +---1993 - Angel Dust
| +---1993 - Free Concert In The Park
| +---1995 - King For A Day, Fool For A Lifetime
| +---1997 - Album Of The Year
| \---2009 - Download Festival
+---Fat Freddys Drop
| \---2005 - Based On A True Story
+---Fatboy Slim
| \---1998 - You've Come A Long Way, Baby
+---Fear Factory
| +---1997 - Remanufacture
| +---1998 - Obsolete
| \---2001 - Digimortal
+---Finch
| +---2002 - What It Is To Burn
| +---2005 - Say Hello To Sunshine
| +---2008 - Finch
| \---2010 - Epilogue Ep
+---Finger Eleven
| \---2003 - Finger Eleven
+---Finley Quaye
| +---1997 - Maverick A Strike
| \---2003 - Much More Than Much Love
+---Fishbone
| \---1991 - The Reality Of My Surroundings
+---Foo Fighters
| +---1995 - Foo Fighters
| +---1997 - The Colour And The Shape
| \---1999 - There Is Nothing Left To Lose
+---Frank Zappa
| \---1982 - Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch
+---Frenzal Rhomb
| +---1999 - A Man's Not A Camel
| +---1999 - We're Going Out Tonight EP
| \---1999 - You Are Not My Friend EP
+---Frightened Rabbit
| \---2008 - The Midnight Organ Fight
+---Fun Lovin' Criminals
| +---1996 - Come Find Yourself
| +---1998 - 100% Colombian
| +---1999 - Mimosa
| +---2001 - Loco
| \---2010 - Classic Fantastic
+---Funeral For A Friend
| +---2003 - Casually Dressed & Deep In Conversation
| +---2003 - Seven Ways To Scream Your Name
| +---2005 - Hours
| +---2007 - Tales Don't Tell Themselves
| +---2007 - The Great Wide Open (Live)
| +---2008 - Memory And Humanity
| +---2009 - Your History Is Mine (2002-2009)
| \---2011 - Welcome Home Armageddon
+---Green Day
| +---1994 - Dookie
| +---1995 - Insomniac
| +---1997 - Nimrod
| +---2000 - Warning
| +---2002 - Shenanigans
| \---2004 - American Idiot
+---Grinspoon
| \---2004 - Thrills, Kills + Sunday Pills
+---Groove Armada
| \---2002 - Lovebox
+---Guns N' Roses
| +---1987 - Appetite For Destruction
| +---1991 - Use Your Illusion I
| +---1991 - Use Your Illusion II
| \---2008 - Chinese Democracy
+---Head Like A Hole
| \---1995 - Double Your Strength Improve Your Health And Lengthen Your Life
+---Hoobastank
| \---2003 - The Reason
+---Hootie & The Blowfish
| \---1994 - Cracked Rear View
+---Husker Du
| \---1994 - The Living End
+---Incubus
| +---1999 - Make Yourself
| +---2001 - Morning View
| +---2004 - A Crow Left Of The Murder
| +---2006 - Light Grenades
| +---2011 - If Not Now, When
| \---2012 - Live Hq
+---Inspiral Carpets
| \---1991 - The Beast Inside
+---Iron Maiden
| +---1983 - Piece Of Mind
| +---1988 - Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
| +---1992 - Fear Of The Dark
| +---1993 - A Real Live One
| +---1998 - The Number Of The Beast
| +---2000 - Brave New World
| +---2002 - Rock In Rio Disc 1
| +---2002 - Rock In Rio Disc 2
| +---2009 - Flight 666 The Original Soundtrack Disc 1
| \---2009 - Flight 666 The Original Soundtrack Disc 2
+---Jack Johnson
| +---2000 - Brushfire Fairytales
| +---2003 - On And On
| +---2005 - In Between Dreams
| \---2008 - Sleep Through The Static
+---Jamiroquai
| \---1996 - Travelling Without Moving
+---Jeff Wayne
| +---1978 - The War Of The Worlds Disc 1
| \---1978 - The War Of The Worlds Disc 2
+---Jimmy Eat World
| +---2001 - Jimmy Eat World
| +---2004 - Futures
| +---2007 - Chase This Light
| \---2010 - Invented
+---Joe Satriani
| \---1992 - The Extremist
+---John Butler Trio
| \---2007 - Grand National
+---John Lennon
| +---1971 - Imagine
| \---1997 - Lennon Legend - The Very Best Of John Lennon
+---John Mayer
| +---2001 - Room For Squares
| +---2003 - Any Given Thursday Disc 1
| +---2003 - Any Given Thursday Disc 2
| +---2003 - Heavier Things
| +---2006 - Continuum
| +---2006 - The Village Sessions
| +---2008 - Where The Light Is Live In Los Angeles Disc 1
| +---2008 - Where The Light Is Live In Los Angeles Disc 2
| +---2009 - Battle Studies
| \---2012 - Born And Raised
+---Lagwagon
| +---1994 - Trashed
| +---1995 - Duh
| +---1995 - Hoss
| +---1997 - Double Plaidinum
| +---1998 - Let's Talk About Feelings
| +---2002 - Let's Talk About Leftovers
| +---2003 - Blaze
| +---2005 - Live In A Dive
| +---2005 - Resolve
| \---2008 - I Think My Older Brother Used To Listen To Lagwagon
+---Less Than Jake
| +---1995 - Pezcore
| +---1996 - Losing Streak
| +---1998 - Hello Rockview
| \---2008 - Gnv Fla Deluxe Box Set
+---Linkin Park
| +---2000 - Hybrid Theory
| +---2003 - Meteora
| \---2007 - Minutes To Midnight
+---Living Colour
| +---1988 - Vivid
| \---1990 - Time's Up
+---Long Beach Dub Allstars
| \---1999 - Right Back
+---Lostprophets
| +---2004 - Start Something
| +---2006 - Liberation Transmission
| +---2010 - The Betrayed
| \---2012 - Weapons (Deluxe Edition)
+---Mad Caddies
| +---1997 - Quality Soft Core
| +---1998 - Duck And Cover
| +---2000 - The Holiday Has Been Cancelled
| +---2001 - Rock The Plank
| +---2003 - Just One More
| +---2004 - Live From Toronto- Songs In The Key Of Eh
| \---2007 - Keep It Going
+---Matchbook Romance
| +---2003 - Stories And Alibis
| \---2006 - Voices
+---Mclusky
| \---2006 - Mcluskyism
+---Me First And The Gimme Gimmes
| +---1997 - Have A Ball
| +---1999 - Are A Drag
| +---2001 - Blow In The Wind
| +---2003 - Take A Break
| +---2004 - Ruin Jonny's Bar Mitzvah
| +---2006 - Love Their Country
| \---2008 - Have Another Ball
+---Michael Jackson
| +---1979 - Off The Wall
| +---1982 - Thriller
| \---1991 - Dangerous
+---Millencolin
| +---1995 - Life On A Plate
| +---1997 - For Monkeys
| +---1999 - Pennybridge Pioneers
| +---1999 - The Melancholy Collection
| \---2002 - Home From Home
+---Misfits
| +---1997 - American Psycho
| +---1999 - Famous Monsters
| +---2003 - Project 1950
| \---2011 - The Devil's Rain
+---Moby
| \---1999 - Play
+---Motley Crue
| \---1989 - Dr. Feelgood
+---Mr. Bungle
| +---1991 - Mr. Bungle
| +---1995 - Disco Volante
| \---1999 - California
+---Muse
| +---1999 - Showbiz
| +---2001 - Origin Of Symmetry
| +---2002 - Hullabaloo Disc 1
| +---2002 - Hullabaloo Disc 2
| +---2003 - Absolution
| +---2006 - Black Holes And Revelations
| +---2008 - H.A.A.R.P
| \---2009 - The Resistance
+---Neil Finn & Friends
| +---2001 - 7 Worlds Collide - Live At The St. James
| \---2001 - 7 Worlds Collide - Live At The St. James DVD
+---New Found Glory
| +---1999 - Nothing Gold Can Stay
| +---2000 - From The Screen To Your Stereo
| +---2000 - New Found Glory
| +---2002 - Sticks And Stones
| +---2004 - Catalyst
| +---2006 - Coming Home
| +---2007 - From The Screen To Your Stereo Part 2
| +---2008 - Tip Of The Iceberg
| +---2009 - Not Without A Fight
| \---2011 - Radiosurgery
+---Nirvana
| +---1989 - Bleach
| +---1991 - Nevermind
| +---1992 - Incesticide
| +---1994 - Unplugged In New York
| +---2009 - Live At Reading
| \---2011 - Live At The Paramount
+---No Fun At All
| +---1993 - Throw It In
| +---1995 - No Straight Angles
| +---1995 - Out Of Bounds
| +---1997 - The Big Knockover
| \---2000 - State Of Flow
+---No Use For A Name
| +---1990 - Incognito
| +---1992 - Don't Miss The Train
| +---1993 - Daily Grind
| +---1995 - Leche Con Carne
| +---1997 - Making Friends
| +---1999 - More Betterness!
| +---2002 - Hard Rock Bottom
| +---2002 - Live In A Dive
| +---2005 - Keep Them Confused
| \---2008 - The Feel Good Record Of The Year
+---Nofx
| +---1989 - S&M Airlines
| +---1991 - Liberal Animation
| +---1991 - Ribbed
| +---1992 - The Longest Line
| +---1992 - White Trash, Two Heebs, And A Bean
| +---1994 - Punk In Drublic
| +---1995 - I Heard They Suck Live
| +---1996 - Heavy Petting Zoo
| +---1997 - So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes
| +---1999 - The Decline
| +---2000 - Pump Up The Valuum
| +---2002 - 45 Or 46 Songs That Weren't Good Enough To Go On Our Other Records Disc 1
| +---2002 - 45 Or 46 Songs That Weren't Good Enough To Go On Our Other Records Disc 2 Catching Zzz's
| +---2003 - The War On Errorism
| +---2006 - Wolves In Wolves' Clothing
| +---2009 - Coaster
| \---2009 - Cokie The Clown Ep
+---Ocean Colour Scene
| +---1996 - Moseley Shoals
| \---2001 - Songs For The Front Row
+---One Dollar Short
| \---2002 - Eight Days Away
+---Ozzy Osbourne
| +---1980 - Blizzard Of Ozz
| +---1983 - Bark At The Moon
| +---1991 - No More Tears
| +---1995 - Ozzmosis
| +---1995 - Tribute
| +---1997 - The Ozzman Cometh Disc 1
| +---1997 - The Ozzman Cometh Disc 2
| +---2005 - Under Cover
| +---2007 - Black Rain
| \---2010 - Scream
+---Pacifier
| +---2002 - Pacifier
| \---2002 - Weapons Of Mass Destruction
+---Papa Roach
| +---2004 - Getting Away With Murder
| +---2006 - The Paramour Sessions
| \---2009 - Metamorphosis
+---Pennywise
| +---1991 - Pennywise
| +---1992 - A Word From The Wise
| +---1993 - Unknown Road
| +---1995 - About Time
| +---1997 - Full Circle
| +---1999 - Straight Ahead
| +---2001 - Land Of The Free
| +---2003 - From The Ashes
| +---2005 - The Fuse
| +---2008 - Reason To Believe
| \---2012 - All Or Nothing
+---Phil Collins
| +---1989 - ...But Seriously
| \---1998 - ...Hits
+---Pink Floyd
| +---1973 - The Dark Side Of The Moon
| +---1975 - Wish You Were Here
| +---1979 - The Wall Disc 1
| +---1979 - The Wall Disc 2
| \---2005 - Live 8
+---Placebo
| +---1996 - Placebo
| +---1998 - Without You I'm Nothing
| +---2001 - Black Market Music
| +---2003 - Covers
| +---2003 - Sleeping With Ghosts
| +---2003 - Sleeping With Ghosts - Covers
| +---2006 - Meds
| +---2007 - Meds - Chile
| +---2009 - Battle For The Sun
| \---2011 - We Come In Pieces (Live)
+---Primal Scream
| \---1992 - Screamadelica
+---Pulley
| \---1996 - Esteem Driven Engine
+---Queen
| +---1981 - Greatest Hits
| +---2003 - Live At Wembley Stadium Disc 1
| \---2003 - Live At Wembley Stadium Disc 2
+---Radiohead
| +---1993 - Pablo Honey
| +---1995 - The Bends
| +---1997 - OK Computer
| \---2000 - Kid A
+---Rage Against The Machine
| +---1992 - Rage Against The Machine
| \---1996 - Evil Empire
+---Red Hot Chili Peppers
| \---1991 - Blood Sugar Sex Magik
+---Reel Big Fish
| +---1995 - Everything Sucks
| +---1996 - Turn The Radio Off
| +---1998 - Why Do They Rock So Hard
| +---2002 - Cheer Up
| +---2005 - We're Not Happy 'til You're Not Happy
| +---2006 - Our Live Album Is Better Than Your Live Album Disc 1
| +---2006 - Our Live Album Is Better Than Your Live Album Disc 2
| +---2007 - Monkeys For Nothin' And The Chimps For Free
| \---2009 - Fame, Fortune And Fornication
+---Regurgitator
| \---1997 - Unit
+---Richard Ashcroft
| +---2000 - Alone With Everybody
| +---2002 - Human Conditions
| \---2006 - Keys To The World
+---Rise Against
| +---2001 - The Unraveling
| +---2003 - Revolutions Per Minute
| +---2004 - Siren Song Of The Counter Culture
| +---2006 - The Sufferer And The Witness
| +---2008 - Appeal To Reason
| \---2011 - Endgame
+---Saliva
| \---2004 - Survival Of The Sickest
+---Salmonella Dub
| +---1999 - Killervision
| \---2001 - Inside The Dub Plates
+---Seether
| \---2005 - Karma And Effect
+---Shihad
| +---1995 - Killjoy
| +---1996 - Shihad
| \---1999 - The General Electric
+---Silverchair
| +---1995 - Frogstomp
| +---1996 - Freak Show
| +---1999 - Neon Ballroom
| +---2002 - Diorama
| \---2007 - Young Modern
+---Skid Row
| \---1989 - Skid Row
+---Skunk Anansie
| +---1995 - Paranoid & Sunburnt
| +---1996 - Stoosh
| +---1998 - Post Orgasmic Chill
| \---2010 - Wonderlustre
+---Social Distortion
| +---2004 - Sex, Love, and Rock n' Roll
| \---2011 - Hard Times And Nursery Rhymes
+---Soundgarden
| \---1994 - Superunkown
+---Spiderbait
| +---1996 - Ivy And The Big Apples
| \---1999 - Grand Slam
+---Staind
| +---2001 - Break the Cycle
| +---2003 - 14 Shades Of Grey
| +---2005 - Chapter V
| +---2008 - The Illusion Of Progress
| \---2011 - Staind
+---Stone Temple Pilots
| +---1992 - Core
| +---1994 - Purple
| \---1996 - Tiny Music...Songs From The Vatican Gift Shop
+---Story Of The Year
| +---2003 - Page Avenue
| +---2005 - In The Wake Of Determination
| +---2005 - Live In The Lou
| +---2008 - The Black Swan
| \---2010 - The Constant
+---Strung Out
| +---1994 - Another Day In Paradise
| +---1996 - Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues
| +---1998 - Twisted By Design
| +---2000 - The Element Of Sonic Defiance
| +---2002 - An American Paradox
| +---2003 - Live In A Dive
| +---2004 - Exile In Oblivion
| +---2007 - Blackhawks Over Los Angeles
| \---2009 - Agents Of The Underground
+---Sublime
| +---1992 - Sublime
| \---1997 - Second-Hand Smoke
+---Sugar
| +---1992 - Copper Blue
| +---1993 - Beaster
| \---1994 - File Under- Easy Listening
+---Sum 41
| +---2000 - Half Hour Of Power
| +---2001 - All Killer No Filler
| +---2002 - Does This Look Infected
| +---2004 - Chuck
| +---2007 - Underclass Hero
| \---2011 - Screaming Bloody Murder
+---Supergrass
| +---1995 - I Should Coco
| +---1997 - In It For the Money
| \---1999 - Supergrass
+---Supergroove
| +---1994 - Traction
| \---1996 - Backspacer
+---Switchfoot
| \---2005 - Nothing Is Sound
+---System Of A Down
| \---2001 - Toxicity
+---Tenacious D
| \---2001 - Tenacious D
+---The Ataris
| \---2003 - So Long, Astoria
+---The Beatles
| +---1963 - Please Please Me (Mono)
| +---1963 - With The Beatles (Mono)
| +---1964 - A Hard Day's Night (Mono)
| +---1964 - Beatles For Sale (Mono)
| +---1965 - Help! (Mono)
| +---1965 - Rubber Soul (Mono)
| +---1966 - Revolver (Mono)
| +---1967 - Hey Jude
| +---1967 - Magical Mystery Tour (Mono)
| +---1967 - Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band (Mono)
| +---1968 - The White Album Disc 1 (Mono)
| +---1968 - The White Album Disc 2 (Mono)
| +---1969 - Yellow Submarine
| +---1970 - Let It Be
| +---2000 - One
| +---2003 - Let It Be... Naked
| +---2009 - Mono Masters Disc 1
| \---2009 - Mono Masters Disc 2
+---The Black Crowes
| \---1990 - Shake Your Money Maker
+---The Black Seeds
| +---2001 - Keep On Pushing LP
| \---2008 - Solid Ground
+---The Bloodhound Gang
| +---1996 - One Fierce Beer Coaster
| \---2000 - Hooray For Boobies
+---The Darkness
| \---2003 - Permission To Land
+---The Doobie Brothers
| \---1976 - Best Of The Doobies
+---The Eagles
| \---1994 - Hell Freezes Over
+---The Finn Brothers
| \---2004 - Everyone Is Here
+---The Get Up Kids
| +---1996 - Woodson Ep
| +---1997 - Four Minute Mile
| +---1999 - Red Letter Day Ep
| +---1999 - Something To Write Home About
| \---2001 - Eudora
+---The Killers
| +---2004 - Hot Fuss
| +---2006 - Sam's Town
| \---2008 - Day & Age
+---The Living End
| +---1998 - The Living End
| +---2000 - Roll On
| +---2003 - Modern Artillery
| +---2006 - State Of Emergency
| \---2011 - The Ending Is Just The Beginning Repeating
+---The Loved Ones
| \---2008 - Build & Burn
+---The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
| \---1997 - Lets Face It
+---The Offspring
| +---1989 - The Offspring
| +---1992 - Ignition
| +---1994 - Smash
| +---1997 - Ixnay On The Hombre
| +---1998 - Americana
| +---2000 - Conspiracy Of One
| +---2003 - Splinter
| +---2008 - Rise And Fall, Rage And Grace
| \---2012 - Days Go By
+---The Reverend Horton Heat
| \---1996 - It's Martini Time
+---The Rolling Stones
| +---2002 - Forty Licks Disc 1
| \---2002 - Forty Licks Disc 2
+---The Smashing Pumpkins
| +---1991 - Gish
| +---1993 - Siamese Dream
| +---1994 - Pisces Iscariot
| +---1995 - Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness - Dawn To Dusk Disc 1
| +---1995 - Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness - Twilight To Starlight Disc 2
| +---1998 - Adore
| +---2000 - Machina - The Machines Of God
| \---2012 - Oceania
+---The Strokes
| +---2001 - Is This It
| +---2003 - Room On Fire
| +---2006 - First Impressions of Earth
| \---2011 - Angles
+---The Vandals
| +---1998 - Hitler Bad, Vandals Good
| +---2000 - Look What I Almost Stepped In
| \---2000 - Oi! To The World
+---The Verve
| +---1997 - Urban Hymns
| \---2004 - This Is Music (The Singles 92-98)
+---Thievery Corporation
| \---2006 - Sounds From The Thievery Hi-Fi
+---Thrice
| +---2001 - Identity Crisis
| +---2002 - The Illusion Of Safety
| +---2003 - The Artist In The Ambulance
| +---2004 - If We Could Only See Us Now
| +---2005 - Vheissu
| +---2006 - Red Sky Ep
| +---2007 - The Alchemy Index- Vol. 1 - Fire
| +---2007 - The Alchemy Index- Vol. 2 - Water
| +---2008 - Live At The House Of Blues Disc 1
| +---2008 - Live At The House Of Blues Disc 2
| +---2008 - The Alchemy Index- Vol. 3 - Air
| +---2008 - The Alchemy Index- Vol. 4 - Earth
| +---2009 - Beggars
| \---2011 - Major-Minor
+---Tool
| +---1996 - Aenima
| +---2000 - Salival
| \---2006 - 10,000 Days
+---UB40
| \---1987 - The Best Of UB40 Vol. 1
+---Unwritten Law
| +---1996 - Oz Factor
| +---1998 - Unwritten Law
| +---2002 - Elva
| +---2003 - Music In High Places
| +---2005 - Here's To The Mourning
| +---2008 - Live And Lawless
| \---2011 - Swan
+---Van Morrison
| \---1990 - The Best Of Van Morrison
+---Various Artists
| +---1980 - The Blues Brothers - Music From The Soundtrack
| +---1988 - Good Morning, Vietnam
| +---1994 - Natural Born Killers Soundtrack
| +---1998 - Chef Aid- The South Park Album
| +---1999 - Fat Music Volume III - Physical Fatness
| +---1999 - Fat Music Volume IV - Life in the Fat Lane
| +---2001 - Floyd ...And Out Come The Teeth
| +---2001 - Forrest Gump - The Soundtrack - Disc 1
| +---2001 - Forrest Gump - The Soundtrack - Disc 2
| +---2004 - Rock Against Bush Vol. 1
| +---2004 - Rock Against Bush Vol. 2
| \---2005 - Switcheroo Series
+---Vicious Hairy Mary
| \---1999 - Orchestra Phantasma
+---Weezer
| +---1994 - The Blue Album
| +---1996 - Pinkerton
| +---2001 - The Green Album
| +---2002 - Maladroit
| +---2005 - Make Believe
| \---2008 - Red Album
+---White Zombie
| \---1996 - Supersexy Swingin' Sounds
+---Whitesnake
| \---1994 - Greatest Hits
+---Yellowcard
| +---2003 - Ocean Avenue
| +---2006 - Lights and Sounds
| +---2007 - Paper Walls
| +---2011 - When You're Through Thinking Say Yes
| +---2011 - When You're Through Thinking, Say Yes (Acoustic)
| \---2012 - Southern Air
\---Zebrahead
+---1998 - Waste Of Mind
\---2000 - Playmate Of The Year
This is 8047 wave files, mainly rock music.

-The Results-

Compression %


Size GB


-Raw Results-

CODE
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Codec                        GB    Compression
WAV                        293.36    100.00%
FLAC -0                    212.42     72.41%
SHORTEN                    212.02     72.27%
FLAC -1                    207.16     70.62%
FLAC -2                    206.64     70.44%
FLAC -3                    202.06     68.88%
WMA                        199.99     68.17%
WAVPACK -F                 198.78     67.76%
ALAC                       197.96     67.48%
FLAC -4                    196.14     66.86%
FLAC -5                    195.73     66.72%
FLAC -6                    195.72     66.72%
FLAC -7                    195.47     66.63%
WAVPACK                    195.20     66.54%
FLAC -8                    195.06     66.49%
TTA                        194.69     66.37%
MONKEYS AUDIO FAST         193.80     66.06%
WAVPACK -H                 193.21     65.86%
TAKC -P1                   192.80     65.72%
WAVPACK -HH                192.41     65.59%
TAKC -P2                   191.00     65.11%
MONKEYS AUDIO NORMAL       190.67     65.00%
TAKC -P3                   190.11     64.81%
MONKEYS AUDIO HIGH         189.98     64.76%
TAKC -P4                   189.76     64.68%
OPTIMFROG                  189.36     64.55%
MONKEYS AUDIO EXTRA HIGH   188.77     64.35%
MONKEYS AUDIO INSANE       188.23     64.16%
LA                         187.30     63.85%
LA -HIGH                   186.73     63.65%


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Can I resume, without loss of generality:
LA < Monkeys Audio < OptimFROG < TAK < WAVPACK < TTA < FLAC < ALAC < WMA < Shorten?

I just added a column "worse than best":
QUOTE (A_Man_Eating_Duck @ Oct 4 2012, 09:14) *
CODE
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Codec                        GB    Compression  Worse than Best
WAV                        293.36    100.00%    57.1%
FLAC -0                    212.42     72.41%    13.8%
SHORTEN                    212.02     72.27%    13.5%
FLAC -1                    207.16     70.62%    11.0%
FLAC -2                    206.64     70.44%    10.7%
FLAC -3                    202.06     68.88%     8.2%
WMA                        199.99     68.17%     7.1%
WAVPACK -F                 198.78     67.76%     6.5%
ALAC                       197.96     67.48%     6.0%
FLAC -4                    196.14     66.86%     5.0%
FLAC -5                    195.73     66.72%     4.8%
FLAC -6                    195.72     66.72%     4.8%
FLAC -7                    195.47     66.63%     4.7%
WAVPACK                    195.20     66.54%     4.5%
FLAC -8                    195.06     66.49%     4.5%
TTA                        194.69     66.37%     4.3%
MONKEYS AUDIO FAST         193.80     66.06%     3.8%
WAVPACK -H                 193.21     65.86%     3.5%
TAKC -P1                   192.80     65.72%     3.3%
WAVPACK -HH                192.41     65.59%     3.0%
TAKC -P2                   191.00     65.11%     2.3%
MONKEYS AUDIO NORMAL       190.67     65.00%     2.1%
TAKC -P3                   190.11     64.81%     1.8%
MONKEYS AUDIO HIGH         189.98     64.76%     1.7%
TAKC -P4                   189.76     64.68%     1.6%
OPTIMFROG                  189.36     64.55%     1,4%
MONKEYS AUDIO EXTRA HIGH   188.77     64.35%     1.1%
MONKEYS AUDIO INSANE       188.23     64.16%     0.8%
LA                         187.30     63.85%     0.3%
LA -HIGH                   186.73     63.65%     Best
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My conclusion is that no codec makes a significant enough difference in terms of compression, relative to other codecs. All are within a few percents of each other.
I'm guessing that compression speed is also good enough with most codecs. Decompression speed might be a significant enough factor for portable players, but hardware and software support is probably the number 1 criterium when deciding what to use (IMHO).

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I'd agree with skamp. There's a saving of 10GB between FLAC -8 and LA-HIGH which is nothing. I think it comes down to whether you're using older hardware or not as encoding speed even at these levels is a fraction of ripping time too.

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Compression ratios differences are not important anymore. For me decoding speed is very important in which FLAC excelled years ago, a pitty this isn't included in the test. Now I'm too lazy to convert to an other more speedy decoder format.
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Im surpiresed OptimFrog beats TAK shock1.gif
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And I'm still happy with FLAC -5. Thanks for the test!
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If you're so inclined, it would be a great metric to add to your stats if you timed how long each codec takes to compress your entire library, then how long it takes to decompress it all. In order to demonstrate the differences in the algorithm you should restrict all encoders and decoders to using a single cpu core for the main test. That will demonstrate the efficiency of the algorithms. You could then redo the test without imposing core usage restrictions on the encoders which would show where the reference implementations for each codec benefit from multithreading.

These would be really important numbers to factor into the utility of a particular codec. For example, optimfrog compresses a couple percent better than FLAC -8, but if it takes 3 times as long to compress, and twice as long to decode, it may put the advantage in FLAC's corner, or vice-versa.
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QUOTE (yourlord @ Oct 4 2012, 19:15) *
it would be a great metric to add to your stats if you timed how long each codec takes to compress your entire library

Not my entire library, but... http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=800186

QUOTE (yourlord @ Oct 4 2012, 19:15) *
For example, optimfrog compresses a couple percent better than FLAC -8, but if it takes 3 times as long to compress

More or less the same.

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and twice as long to decode

eight times.
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QUOTE (skamp @ Oct 4 2012, 11:54) *
I'm guessing that compression speed is also good enough with most codecs.

The last time I checked, the top 3 (compression-wise) of this test were actually close to unusable because of their decoding complexity. I'm also happy with FLAC -8, but TAK is the efficiency winner in my eyes.

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What about TAK -p4m?
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QUOTE (Anakunda @ Oct 4 2012, 16:04) *
Im surpiresed OptimFrog beats TAK shock1.gif


You shouldn't be: http://synthetic-soul.co.uk/comparison/los...sion&Desc=0 Have a look at speeds.

What impresses so much about TAK is its overall speed/compression performance. Compared to the more insane froggies and monkeys, it sacrifices merely an epsilon compression and still offers FLAC competition at speed.


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Every time I try to decode 2 or more La files simultaneously with foobar2000, it crashes. I suspect that la-core.dll isn't really thread safe.
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Thanks for the test.

I think lossless is close to its theoretical maximum in its current form (i.e. not using heavily multi-threaded implementations on supercomputers and CL/CUDA). Encode and decode speed really is the issue, other than device/platform compatibility.

I also would have thought TAK -p4m might have been worth testing since Monkey's -c5 and LA -high were run. But with CD audio it is easy to predict the difference in ratio between -p4 and -p4m from other benchmarks.

Best part is- any lossless is a winner (from the quality perspective).


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You skipped my favourites.
WavPack -hhx6
OptimFrog --mode bestnew --optimize best --experimental

Your result is really unfair wrt ofr, with all others you test stronger modes but here you skip them, making it appear like it's not the strongest codec out there. It probably is (though sac and la win in some comparisons).
In result you have people thinking that mac is stronger than ofr...very, very wrong.

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QUOTE (_m˛_ @ Oct 4 2012, 21:44) *
WavPack -hhx6

Out of curiosity, what encoding speed do you make of -hhx6?
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Ok i'll do a run of TAK -p4m and WavPack -hhx6.

I'll try to expand on the OptimFrog settings but I don't really want to spend another week or 2 running encodes.

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I suspect that -hhx6 is ~50x slower than -hh.
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QUOTE (Destroid @ Oct 4 2012, 21:12) *
I think lossless is close to its theoretical maximum in its current form (i.e. not using heavily multi-threaded implementations on supercomputers and CL/CUDA).


That sounds like you mean “its practical maximum”, which would be much closer to the truth.


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Err, yeah. I guess the understanding was there even if my proofreading was not.

I guess the theoretical maximum could be at least 10-20% higher, but that would probably involve adaptive-predictors of another nature (taking 500x longer to encode) and the decompression would probably use 50x more processing cycles. This is not really based on any real numbers but maybe an estimate.

The point was these lossless compression programs do very well to reduce file size without taking a month to process a file 300 seconds duration. I like bench results, it's very discussion-worthy.


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Great work for the comparison among latest codecs. Waiting for the -p4m tests, which I prefer in most cases.

Only for my own curiosity, is there any comparison measuring robustness of efficiency among different lossless codecs?

For example, assuming we put all the audio files into 10 categories, and compare two lossless codecs. The overal compression ratio of codec A is slightly better than codec B, but it is only slightly advanced in 8 categories, while significantly worse in last 2 categories. And codec B gives more stable results for all 10 categories. If the overal difference is not large, I personally prefer codec B, as I don't want to use codec A only for those 8 categories and switch to codec B for the last 2, because sometimes it takes too much time to separate all the audio files into different categories, and it looks strange to me if I have some audio files in different codecs in the same folder.

This may be measured in many ways, such as ranking standard deviation of compression ratio, or standard deviation of differences in compression ratio between one codec and the best result for each file. Or maybe many other better methods can be used. I wonder is there any work done for this?

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The next lot of encoding is now running.
CODE
ECHO -------------TAKC P4M------------------
TITLE -------------TAKC P4M------------------
for /r %%F in (*.wav) do E:\Lossless_Test\Encoders\TAK_v2.2.0\Applications\takc.exe -e -p4m "%%F"
dIR /s "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.tak" > "c:\TAKC P4M.TXT"
DEL /S /Q "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.tak"

ECHO -------------OptimFROG FAST------------------
TITLE -------------OptimFROG FAST------------------
for /r %%F in (*.wav) do E:\Lossless_Test\Encoders\OptimFROG_v4.910b\OFR.exe -mode fast "%%F"
dIR /s "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr" > "c:\OptimFROG FAST.TXT"
DEL /S /Q "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr"

ECHO -------------OptimFROG HIGH------------------
TITLE -------------OptimFROG HIGH------------------
for /r %%F in (*.wav) do E:\Lossless_Test\Encoders\OptimFROG_v4.910b\OFR.exe -mode high "%%F"
dIR /s "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr" > "c:\OptimFROG HIGH.TXT"
DEL /S /Q "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr"

ECHO -------------OptimFROG EXTRA------------------
TITLE -------------OptimFROG EXTRA------------------
for /r %%F in (*.wav) do E:\Lossless_Test\Encoders\OptimFROG_v4.910b\OFR.exe -mode extra "%%F"
dIR /s "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr" > "c:\OptimFROG EXTRA.TXT"
DEL /S /Q "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr"

ECHO -------------OptimFROG BEST------------------
TITLE -------------OptimFROG BEST------------------
for /r %%F in (*.wav) do E:\Lossless_Test\Encoders\OptimFROG_v4.910b\OFR.exe -mode best "%%F"
dIR /s "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr" > "c:\OptimFROG BEST.TXT"
DEL /S /Q "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr"

ECHO -------------OptimFROG HIGHNEW------------------
TITLE -------------OptimFROG HIGHNEW------------------
for /r %%F in (*.wav) do E:\Lossless_Test\Encoders\OptimFROG_v4.910b\OFR.exe -mode highnew "%%F"
dIR /s "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr" > "c:\OptimFROG HIGHNEW.TXT"
DEL /S /Q "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr"

ECHO -------------OptimFROG EXTRANEW------------------
TITLE -------------OptimFROG EXTRANEW------------------
for /r %%F in (*.wav) do E:\Lossless_Test\Encoders\OptimFROG_v4.910b\OFR.exe -mode extranew "%%F"
dIR /s "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr" > "c:\OptimFROG EXTRANEW.TXT"
DEL /S /Q "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr"

ECHO -------------OptimFROG BESTNEW------------------
TITLE -------------OptimFROG BESTNEW------------------
for /r %%F in (*.wav) do E:\Lossless_Test\Encoders\OptimFROG_v4.910b\OFR.exe -mode bestnew "%%F"
dIR /s "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr" > "c:\OptimFROG BESTNEW.TXT"
DEL /S /Q "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.ofr"

ECHO -------------WAVPACK hhx6------------------
TITLE -------------WAVPACK hhx6------------------
SWEEP.EXE E:\Lossless_Test\Encoders\Wavpack_v4.60.1\wavpack.exe -hhx6 *.wav
dIR /s "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.wv" > "c:\WAVPACK -hhx6.TXT"
DEL /S /Q "E:\Lossless_Test\music\*.wv"

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QUOTE (06_taro @ Oct 5 2012, 04:11) *
For example, assuming we put all the audio files into 10 categories, and compare two lossless codecs. The overal compression ratio of codec A is slightly better than codec B, but it is only slightly advanced in 8 categories, while significantly worse in last 2 categories. And codec B gives more stable results for all 10 categories. If the overal difference is not large, I personally prefer codec B, as I don't want to use codec A only for those 8 categories and switch to codec B for the last 2, because sometimes it takes too much time to separate all the audio files into different categories, and it looks strange to me if I have some audio files in different codecs in the same folder.


I suppose that in practice, users just want their music collection to fit on your old 2TB drive rather than having to buy a new 3TB drive, right? (And all the other features of a modern lossless, like tagging capabilities.)

But for developers it could certainly be interesting: are there types of signal which are suboptimally processed simply because you never tested with that music? I've reported a Merzbow album where TAK -p4m at the worst track produces a larger file than uncompressed WAV. (That's the least FLACable track in my collection, and TAK came out really bad.) On the other end, I picked the most FLAC-compressable album and here TAK outshines WavPack extra high by far.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=809489
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=802511




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and it looks strange to me if I have some audio files in different codecs in the same folder.


So I reckon that if you buy a single bonus track in a lossy format, it does not go into the folder with the main album? wink.gif Neither with me. (By the way, I use a 2nd lossless to distinguish those CDs which came with pre-emphasis. As I don't convert them, merely tag them (and decode on-the-fly), I want to be insured against accidentally deleting tags.)




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Ah, you can use your computer in the meantime, as you are not measuring encoding speed, you lazy cheater wink.gif


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I suppose that in practice, users just want their music collection to fit on your old 2TB drive rather than having to buy a new 3TB drive, right? (And all the other features of a modern lossless, like tagging capabilities.)

Yikes! A compression increase of 33% above the average of these codecs' results? (BTW, I should have clarified in my guesstimate of of 10-20% increase in theoretical compression was based on the average of norm of 65%.)

I guess I'm not too busy to pass up cryogenic freezing of myself. wink.gif Whether it is from from the most rigorous brute-force compression of existing tech or waiting for the next lossless tech is another question.

Which obviously brings back the encode/decode efficiency factor. I see potential in both high efficiency and high compression- it just depends how often the material is accessed. Frequent access would benefit from a balance while long-term archival would likely aim for lowest storage footprint. One-codec-for-all is pretty tough to suit all areas of lossless criteria, but if it did exist today it would most likely be WavPack. Frequent access I give to FLAC and TAK. Infrequent access archival would be for OFR bestnew and Monkey's extra-high/insane (and maybe LA). And this is mostly in regards CD audio and Windows platform, there are many other factors.

In conclusion, my rambling was to concur about the time/efficiency benchmarks being a major component for lossless audio comparisons.


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