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Beatles remasters soon available on vinyl
2Bdecided
post Sep 28 2012, 11:35
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Stereo 12th / 13th November...
http://thebeatles.com/#/news/Vinyl

Mono coming in 2013.


I'm just waiting for the first claim of how much better they sound than the CDs.

For me, the only vaguely interesting thing is whether these will be cut without peak limiting. Given that they applied the same peak limiting to the 24-bit ultra-expensive USB apple release, I doubt we'll escape it here.


However, it'll (hopefully!) be a much cheaper way of owning and playing Beatles vinyl than tracking down originals, and they'll sound better than most of the 1988 vinyl remasters. (Though for Help and Rubber Soul, they'll be the same masters!). The Beatles website is mostly selling the "experience" of playing vinyl, rather than any actual sonic superiority. How strange for a vinyl press release to be TOS 8 compliant!

Cheers,
David.

P.S. and so it starts...
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linuxglobe on 27th Sep 12: “I just want to own Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road on audiophile 180 gram vinyl; I have a usb turntable, easily import into my iPhone! I *HEART* Los Beatles!!! biggrin.gif @MarkusMcLaughln
Yeah, 'cause obviously...
digital file > vinyl stamper > vinyl > USB turntable(!!!!) > iTunes > iPhone
will sound better than
digital file > CD > iTunes > iPhone!

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Are you suggesting that MSFL doesn't apply EQ to the titles they remaster? I make no claims about being an authority on the subject, but if your answer is yes then reading this sentiment would be a first for me. My general experience with their releases is that the midrange has been sucked out of them.

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I trust the new remasters weren't batch-processed with EQ applied to entire tracks. If 2Bdecided thinks both sets sound wrong, that might be an indication it's the original issues, which likely had less quality control and possibly an extra tape generation, are the less accurate ones. I didn't invest much time in comparing on Beatledrops, but I checked "With a Little Help From My Friends" and thought the 2009 CD sounded pretty similar to the original UK, with the MFSL indeed sounding like the treble was enhanced. But we can't be sure he has a completely tonally neutral signal path that isn't brightening up all recordings. I have read others say MFSL releases are brighter though.

But I have noticed people tend to give MFSL a worse rap than they deserve. I have no conclusive knowledge of whether or not how much they process their releases, but specifically, I was reading on the Steve Hoffman forums people's opinions of the best-sounding releases of Pink Floyd albums on CD. In the case of Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall, the general consensus was that their original CD issues sounded the best and the MFSLs were inferior to the 1982 Japanese "Black Triangle" DSOTM and whoever put out The Wall first before the remasters, I don't remember. I tracked down all four of these to A/B compare and my ears' findings were that the supposed Holy Grail that is the original Japanese sounded a bit duller (not that you'd really notice without listening back-to-back). That may be because MFSL equalized it, or it could because the Japanese one was taken from a copy instead of the original master. The difference wasn't huge so my bet is on option B. People said MFSL compressed DSOTM, which inspection and comparison of the waveform showed fairly surely they had not. Basically the same situation with The Wall too, so I'm guessing these kind of statements originate from before it was easy to rip two CDs and compare them without the delay of switching discs and find out how they really sound next to each other. Not to lump 2Bdecided or you, greynol, in with the Steve Hoffman people, but as I said, if both the MFSL issue and the new masters seem to sound unnatural and we pretty much know this latest remastering didn't make any radical changes, I can't feel totally confident but it's fairly reasonable to assume the original release is inaccurate, even if it is aurally pleasing inaccuracy.

Sorry if that's too off-topic. I contemplated deleting that paragraph before deciding maybe someone would have something useful to add.
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- 2Bdecided   Beatles remasters soon available on vinyl   Sep 28 2012, 11:35
- - hlloyge   Aren't the original masters bad sounding, full...   Sep 28 2012, 12:22
|- - markanini   QUOTE (hlloyge @ Sep 28 2012, 13:22) Aren...   Sep 28 2012, 15:44
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (hlloyge @ Sep 28 2012, 07:22) Aren...   Sep 29 2012, 03:57
|- - hlloyge   QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Sep 29 2012, 04:57)...   Sep 29 2012, 16:38
- - LordWarlock   Hiss and noise? That's still better than compr...   Sep 28 2012, 12:30
- - derty2   Official technical info on this release... QUOTE M...   Sep 28 2012, 18:35
|- - Blueshirt   QUOTE (derty2 @ Sep 28 2012, 18:35) Offic...   Sep 28 2012, 23:57
- - mzil   Notice the goal was not a nearly indistinguishable...   Sep 29 2012, 04:08
- - punkrockdude   I would like to hear the inner groove distortion t...   Sep 29 2012, 10:34
- - derty2   Recent excerpts from Steve Hoffman forums      --...   Sep 29 2012, 15:22
- - derty2   The original tapes were 'raw' copied to di...   Sep 29 2012, 17:44
- - lvqcl   QUOTE I do not understand why the engineers didn...   Sep 29 2012, 18:10
- - hlloyge   I am not into that. Sell these files, rather than ...   Sep 29 2012, 19:24
- - derty2   Your 'comment' was addressed in 2009, the ...   Sep 29 2012, 19:45
- - _if   QUOTE Having made initial test cuts, Magee pinpoin...   Sep 30 2012, 04:28
|- - Batman321   QUOTE (_if @ Sep 29 2012, 22:28) QUOTE Ha...   Sep 30 2012, 09:25
- - LithosZA   Arghh, just release an un-limited/uncompressed ver...   Sep 30 2012, 10:26
- - 2Bdecided   It's nice they aren't including the peak l...   Oct 1 2012, 10:46
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Oct 1 2012, 10:46) Oth...   Oct 2 2012, 13:54
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (cliveb @ Oct 2 2012, 13:54) QUOTE ...   Oct 2 2012, 16:37
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Oct 2 2012, 16:37) But...   Oct 3 2012, 09:20
- - derty2   To remix or not to remix classic albums - An inter...   Oct 1 2012, 20:01
- - RonaldDumsfeld   Looking forward to hearing the mono versions when ...   Oct 1 2012, 23:13
|- - _if   QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ Oct 1 2012, 18:13...   Oct 2 2012, 06:37
- - greynol   Are you suggesting that MSFL doesn't apply EQ ...   Oct 2 2012, 07:13
|- - _if   I trust the new remasters weren't batch-proces...   Oct 2 2012, 08:27
- - 2Bdecided   I'm only judging from the Beetledrops website ...   Oct 2 2012, 09:27
- - mzil   Regarding EQ, since none of us have heard the mast...   Oct 2 2012, 14:54
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (mzil @ Oct 2 2012, 14:54) Regardin...   Oct 2 2012, 16:41
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Oct 2 2012, 11:41) QUO...   Oct 3 2012, 02:42
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (krabapple @ Oct 3 2012, 02:42) QUO...   Oct 5 2012, 10:00
- - greynol   The point that seems to be overlooked about MFSL i...   Oct 2 2012, 15:13
|- - mzil   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 2 2012, 10:13) The p...   Oct 2 2012, 22:48
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 2 2012, 10:13) The p...   Oct 3 2012, 02:35
||- - mzil   QUOTE (krabapple @ Oct 2 2012, 21:35) I d...   Oct 3 2012, 18:52
|- - mzil   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 2 2012, 10:13) The p...   Oct 3 2012, 18:32
- - greynol   ABX?!? Are we now claiming that different mas...   Oct 2 2012, 22:54
|- - mzil   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 2 2012, 17:54) ABX?...   Oct 2 2012, 23:59
|- - Porcus   Are you saying that you were not trolling when you...   Oct 3 2012, 00:12
|- - mzil   QUOTE (Porcus @ Oct 2 2012, 19:12) Are yo...   Oct 3 2012, 01:07
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (mzil @ Oct 3 2012, 02:07) QUOTE (P...   Oct 3 2012, 10:18
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (Porcus @ Oct 3 2012, 05:18) Actual...   Oct 3 2012, 19:35
|- - greynol   QUOTE (krabapple @ Oct 3 2012, 11:35) One...   Oct 3 2012, 20:56
|- - mzil   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 3 2012, 15:56) QUOTE...   Oct 3 2012, 21:42
- - greynol   mzil, I'll gladly show you logs demonstrating...   Oct 3 2012, 00:20
|- - mzil   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 2 2012, 19:20) mzil,...   Oct 3 2012, 04:54
- - greynol   Here you go: CODEfoo_abx 1.3.1 report foobar2000 v...   Oct 3 2012, 05:29
- - mzil   There's a huge difference in the audio level, ...   Oct 3 2012, 07:13
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (mzil @ Oct 3 2012, 08:13) There...   Oct 3 2012, 08:19
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Porcus @ Oct 3 2012, 00:19) Replay...   Oct 3 2012, 10:42
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 3 2012, 11:42) QUOTE...   Oct 3 2012, 19:55
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE Looking forward to hearing the mono versions...   Oct 3 2012, 17:00
- - greynol   If you boost the bass and treble, or cut the mids,...   Oct 3 2012, 18:49
|- - Ed Seedhouse   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 3 2012, 10:49) Wheth...   Oct 4 2012, 16:32
|- - Ed Seedhouse   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 3 2012, 10:49) Wheth...   Oct 4 2012, 18:39
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Ed Seedhouse @ Oct 4 2012, 10:39) ...   Oct 4 2012, 23:20
- - mzil   ^Exactly.   Oct 3 2012, 19:42
- - greynol   Now you're being pedantic and of course there...   Oct 3 2012, 21:47
|- - mzil   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 3 2012, 16:47) Were ...   Oct 3 2012, 22:17
||- - greynol   QUOTE (mzil @ Oct 3 2012, 14:17) [*Not su...   Oct 3 2012, 22:19
|- - mzil   QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 3 2012, 16:47) If MF...   Oct 3 2012, 23:11
- - Porcus   For further confusion, throw in the reported DSOTM...   Oct 3 2012, 21:52
|- - godrick   QUOTE (Porcus @ Oct 3 2012, 21:52) For fu...   Oct 4 2012, 00:28
- - greynol   If you apply de-emphasis to the Capitol sample, re...   Oct 3 2012, 22:12
- - greynol   1) Aside attempting to address your comment about ...   Oct 3 2012, 23:15
- - greynol   If there is no topic to bump, feel free to start a...   Oct 4 2012, 00:33
- - krabapple   Do we know that MFSL's versions are typically ...   Oct 4 2012, 05:48
|- - eahm   QUOTE (krabapple @ Oct 3 2012, 21:48) Do ...   Oct 4 2012, 07:24
|- - Batman321   QUOTE (eahm @ Oct 4 2012, 01:24) QUOTE (k...   Oct 4 2012, 08:35
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Batman321 @ Oct 4 2012, 08:35) Wha...   Oct 5 2012, 10:08
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (eahm @ Oct 4 2012, 02:24) QUOTE (k...   Oct 4 2012, 20:41
- - Batman321   Please go back to the topic.   Oct 4 2012, 19:18
- - krabapple   It occurs to me that I own a number of MFSL CDs......   Oct 4 2012, 20:49
- - 2Bdecided   I just want to tell you, absolutely definitively, ...   Oct 5 2012, 10:16
|- - _if   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Oct 5 2012, 05:16) You...   Oct 5 2012, 19:47
- - derty2   Sean Magee has confirmed today that the vinyl is c...   Nov 12 2012, 20:19
|- - Batman321   QUOTE (derty2 @ Nov 12 2012, 14:19) Sean ...   Nov 12 2012, 21:12
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Batman321 @ Nov 12 2012, 20:12) I...   Nov 14 2012, 14:26
- - greynol   It could have been cut from 16/44.1 and no one wou...   Nov 12 2012, 22:15
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (derty2 @ Nov 12 2012, 20:19) Sean ...   Nov 13 2012, 12:56
- - 2Bdecided   It seems many of the copies sold in the US have pr...   Nov 16 2012, 18:15
- - Batman321   Looks like the quality control guys at Rainbo Reco...   Nov 16 2012, 21:03
- - Batman321   warped vinyl lots of clicks and pops scratches wei...   Nov 16 2012, 23:18
|- - Ed Seedhouse   QUOTE (Batman321 @ Nov 16 2012, 14:18) wa...   Nov 17 2012, 00:00
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Batman321 @ Nov 16 2012, 22:18) no...   Nov 19 2012, 12:51
- - 2Bdecided   The guy who remastered the Beatles vinyl quotes th...   Nov 20 2012, 18:59
|- - Batman321   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 20 2012, 12:59) Th...   Nov 20 2012, 20:42
||- - Porcus   QUOTE (Batman321 @ Nov 20 2012, 20:42) So...   Nov 20 2012, 22:26
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 20 2012, 13:59) Th...   Nov 21 2012, 15:09
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (krabapple @ Nov 21 2012, 14:09) is...   Nov 22 2012, 12:52
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 22 2012, 07:52) I ...   Nov 23 2012, 10:51
|- - Batman321   QUOTE (krabapple @ Nov 23 2012, 04:51) QU...   Nov 23 2012, 20:06
- - greynol   Just an FYI: That some guy is a disgruntled HA mem...   Nov 20 2012, 22:21
- - greynol   There's a reason I don't read too many dis...   Nov 21 2012, 15:33


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