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Lame 3.99.5z, a functional extension
halb27
post Sep 18 2012, 23:06
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You can download it from here.

Whatís the functional extension?

It offers VBR quality settings -V3+ to -V0+ and -V0+eco (economic version of -V0+).


What are -Vn+ and -V0+eco good for?

They improve pre-echo behavior.
Beyond that, they combine the quality advantages of VBR (regarding pre-echo) with the quality advantages of CBR/ABR (with respect to ringing and other tonal issues).


Lame users can be classified into three categories:

a) Users who donít care about rare quality issues and/or care much about small file size.
The common way for these users to work with Lame is to use -V5, -V4, or similar.

b) Users who donít like to have obvious and especially ugly issues in their music even when theyíre rare but who care about file size as well.
The common way for these users to work with Lame is to use -V2, -V3, or similar.
CBR 192 or similar, or ABR in this bitrate range, is an alternative (but seldom used).

c) Users who want overall transparency or at least a quality which comes close to it, and who donít care much about file size.
The common way for these users to work with Lame is to use -V0, -V1, or similar as a VBR method, or to use CBR 320 or 256. Using very high bitrate ABR is an alternative (seldom used).

For users of group b) and c) -Vn+/-V0+eco offers significant quality advantages:

We have two major issue classes with most of the lossy codecs:
- temporal smearing (pre-echo) issues
- ringing (tremolo) and other tonal issues.

Letís look at the worst samples I know for these classes:
- eig (extremely strong temporal smearing)
- lead-voice (extreme ringing, for instance at sec. 0..2)

With samples like these users of group b) canít be very happy when using -V2 or -V3, because the ringing issues are very obvious and ugly. The temporal smearing of eig is pretty obvious as well, especially around sec. 3. Using CBR/ABR 192 or similar is a good procedure to fight the ringing, but temporal smearing is much worse than with VBR, itís real ugly.
Things donít really change when using slightly increased quality settings.

For users of group c) itís exactly the same thing, with quality requirements and quality received just both on a higher level.

So the traditional way of doing things isnít totally satisfactory.

Users of group b) can use -V3+ or -V2+ (recommended) and get much better results in the overall view.

Users of group c) can use -V1+ or -V0+eco (recommended) or -V0+ (recommended for the paranoid like me) and get transparency or close-to-transparency. Sure itís impossible to prove transparency for the universe of music, but itís true for the samples mentioned. And as these are very outstanding samples within their problem classes and because of the technical details of -Vn+ described below itís plausible that the approach works rather universally.


How is it done?

-Vn+ uses -Vn internally (-V0+eco uses -V0), but the accuracy demands for short blocks are increased. Short blocks are used when the encoder takes care of good temporal resolution. Audio data bitrate is kept rather high also with long blocks which are normally used.
These audio data requirements are helpful for any kind of problem, they are not restricted to ringing or pre-echo issues.
Moreover a strategy is used which is targeting at providing close to maximum possible audio data space for short blocks.


Whatís the price to pay?

Compared to -Vn the increased accuracy demands of -Vn+ raise average bitrate. As -Vn+ is targeting at significant quality improvements compared to -V2 for real bad samples, we need an average bitrate around 200 kbps at least.

-V3+ and -V2+ are designed for users of group b) above, and as such take care of average bitrate not to be much higher than 200 kbps. For my test set of various pop music average bitrate is 205 kbps for -V3+, and 217 kbps for -V2+.

For users of group c) I allow for the full quality resp. average bitrate range mp3 can offer.
-V1+ takes an average bitrate of 257 kbps for my test set, -V0+ takes 317 kbps.
-V0+eco (economic version of -V0+) takes 266 kbps. So -V0+eco comes nearly for free as -V0 takes 260 kbps for my test set.

Unlike versions I published before, mp3packer isnít really needed any more to squeeze the unused bits out of the mp3 file (with the exception of fractional settings like -V0.5+ between -V1+ and -V0+).
mp3packer brings average bitrate down by only 1 kbps maximum for -Vn+ between -V3+ and -V2+, by 1 to 2 kbps for -Vn+ between -V2+ and -V1+, and by 2 kbps for -V0+ and -V0+eco. So I think we can forget about mp3packer with these settings.


Options

--adbr_short x
sets the minimum audio data bitrate for short blocks to x [kbps] when using -Vn+ or -V0+eco, with x in the range 150..450.
Defaults are 360,370,420,440,440 kbps for -V3+,-V2+,-V1+,-V0+eco,-V0+ resp.

--adbr_long x
sets the minimum audio data bitrate for long blocks to x [kbps] when using -Vn+ or -V0+eco, with x in the range 110..310.
Defaults are 160,170,215,220,290 kbps for -V3+,-V2+,-V1+,-V0+eco,-V0+ resp.

--frameAnalysis
prints detailed information for each frame (L/R or M/S representation, blocktype of both granules, available audio data bits, audio data bits used, etc.). Works for both -Vn and -Vn+.


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post Oct 23 2012, 02:28
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halb27, can you help me understand: What is the advantage of using VBR -V0+ over CBR 320, when the resulting file sizes are virtually the same? Does -V0+ use more accurate short frames than the standard CBR mode?

EDIT: Also, what are the short frame and long frame bitrate targets for the standard -V0?
EDIT 2: From a quality perspective, is there any problem with using -V0+ but setting the --adbr flags to the minimum allowed? Theoretically, wouldn't that allow LAME to use the full range of available bitrates for a short or long frame, and decide to use the smallest one that allows for high quality transparency?

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- halb27   Lame 3.99.5z, a functional extension   Sep 18 2012, 23:06
- - GeSomeone   I think you forgot to mention the lowpass values t...   Sep 26 2012, 20:17
- - solidornot   Thank you. I have used the extension since last D...   Oct 6 2012, 18:13
- - halb27   The main difference between -V0+eco and -V0 is the...   Oct 6 2012, 22:07
|- - solidornot   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 6 2012, 16:07) The ma...   Oct 8 2012, 02:28
- - Dynamic   ...and for future use (not existing encodes), the ...   Oct 8 2012, 17:10
- - soundping   3.99.5z doesn't work with dBpoweramp R14.3. I...   Oct 8 2012, 19:34
- - halb27   Maybe just the VC10 runtime library is missing whi...   Oct 8 2012, 21:08
- - n8er11   Worked ok for me on DBPowerAmp...replaced the orig...   Oct 9 2012, 11:35
- - soundping   The version that's packed with 9.99.5z is ...   Oct 9 2012, 16:55
- - halb27   Lame3.99.5z is a 32 bit exe (which works with 64 b...   Oct 9 2012, 18:49
- - lvqcl   lame3995z.exe + msvcr100.dll 10.0.40219.325: works...   Oct 9 2012, 19:12
- - soundping   That's weird. The regular LAME 3.99.5 works ju...   Oct 10 2012, 08:46
- - BFG   Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get 3.99.5z to...   Oct 22 2012, 03:09
- - halb27   In which folder is the msvcr100.dll?   Oct 22 2012, 07:39
- - halb27   I took it as an occasion to install EAC1.0b3 on my...   Oct 22 2012, 09:52
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 22 2012, 03:52) I hav...   Oct 22 2012, 19:22
|- - BFG   QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 22 2012, 13:22) QUOTE (h...   Oct 23 2012, 00:38
- - nastea   Is it already possible to use wildcards with LAME?...   Oct 23 2012, 01:43
|- - Aleron Ives   QUOTE (nastea @ Oct 22 2012, 17:43) Is it...   Oct 23 2012, 04:15
- - BFG   QUOTE (nastea @ Oct 22 2012, 19:43) Maybe...   Oct 23 2012, 02:26
- - BFG   halb27, can you help me understand: What is the ad...   Oct 23 2012, 02:28
|- - halb27   QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 23 2012, 03:28) halb27, ...   Oct 23 2012, 08:52
- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 23 2012, 02:52) A bun...   Oct 24 2012, 01:50
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 24 2012, 02:50) It simpl...   Oct 24 2012, 12:12
|- - halb27   QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Oct 24 2012, 13:12) .....   Oct 24 2012, 12:36
- - halb27   Yes, you understand it very well. -Vn+ resp. -V0+e...   Oct 24 2012, 08:41
- - BFG   Halb, you mentioned that LAME 3.100 is in developm...   Oct 24 2012, 18:37
|- - pdq   QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 24 2012, 13:37) Halb, yo...   Oct 24 2012, 20:53
- - halb27   What you describe is pretty much what 3.99.5z does...   Oct 24 2012, 19:41
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 24 2012, 13:41) What ...   Oct 24 2012, 20:25
- - halb27   @BFG: The more you go to the limits the more often...   Oct 24 2012, 21:07
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 24 2012, 15:07) @BFG:...   Oct 24 2012, 21:28
|- - BFG   Well, I'm testing some rather extreme settings...   Oct 25 2012, 04:34
|- - halb27   QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 25 2012, 05:34) ...I sus...   Oct 25 2012, 06:28
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 25 2012, 00:28) Absol...   Oct 25 2012, 23:02
- - halb27   For the worst tonal and pre-echo problems I know: ...   Oct 26 2012, 07:02
- - BFG   Thanks for all the info on this, halb27 (not to me...   Oct 26 2012, 17:15
- - halb27   Granules of blocktype 'start' and 'sto...   Oct 26 2012, 17:39
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 26 2012, 11:39) I did...   Oct 26 2012, 20:18
- - halb27   A preliminary remark: you can drop the '-v -q0...   Oct 26 2012, 23:13
- - halb27   I was asked to provide more parameters. So I have ...   Oct 27 2012, 08:28
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 27 2012, 02:28) I was...   Oct 29 2012, 00:00
- - IgorC   Hi, halb27. V3+ ends up with the same average bit...   Oct 28 2012, 01:45
|- - Dynamic   QUOTE (IgorC @ Oct 28 2012, 01:45) Any ch...   Oct 28 2012, 09:10
- - halb27   OK, I can provide -Vn+ for -V5+ to -V0+. With this...   Oct 28 2012, 10:59
- - Dynamic   I haven't tried --frameAnalysis but I was thin...   Oct 28 2012, 11:33
|- - robert   QUOTE (Dynamic @ Oct 28 2012, 11:33) I ha...   Oct 28 2012, 13:26
- - halb27   You're welcome to do this work. As far as I am...   Oct 28 2012, 12:17
- - halb27   Yes, I will take care of best quality for -V0+, an...   Oct 29 2012, 00:49
- - IgorC   I have tried one more sample. This time a tonal on...   Oct 29 2012, 02:40
- - halb27   Thanks for your tests, IgorC. If I skipped the def...   Oct 29 2012, 08:01
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 29 2012, 04:01) Thank...   Oct 30 2012, 02:52
- - Dynamic   halb27, would you say lead-voice is still problema...   Oct 29 2012, 15:50
|- - robert   QUOTE (Dynamic @ Oct 29 2012, 15:50) BTW,...   Nov 5 2012, 19:42
- - halb27   With the test version robert gave me lead-voice wa...   Oct 29 2012, 17:44
- - halb27   Here comes a preliminary new version to play with....   Oct 29 2012, 23:35
- - halb27   Thanks for your test, IgorC. I think I've fou...   Oct 30 2012, 11:50
|- - BFG   Thanks for posting the "C" version, halb...   Oct 31 2012, 00:34
- - halb27   Recent changes in the strategy of the functional e...   Oct 31 2012, 10:14
- - halb27   Sorry, in my last post '310/253 for --adbr_lon...   Oct 31 2012, 17:33
- - halb27   Here comes a new version. a) The default lowpass ...   Nov 1 2012, 01:02
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 31 2012, 19:02) Here ...   Nov 1 2012, 03:27
- - halb27   Sorry. Glad you tested so quickly. I've correc...   Nov 1 2012, 09:21
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 1 2012, 03:21) Sorry....   Nov 1 2012, 16:46
- - halb27   I did a minor change: default to the 'universa...   Nov 1 2012, 12:01
- - GreenSeer   I have enjoyed reading this very technical thread ...   Nov 1 2012, 16:02
- - halb27   Throwing away part of the dynamic range for the sa...   Nov 1 2012, 16:09
- - halb27   trumpet_myPrince triggered this (see post #59). C...   Nov 1 2012, 17:26
- - halb27   Here comes another version. Sorry for the flood. ...   Nov 1 2012, 19:09
- - halb27   A related question is: Is it better to achieve an...   Nov 2 2012, 01:19
- - IgorC   halb27, If You don't mind here are a few que...   Nov 2 2012, 03:43
- - halb27   Hallo IgorC, You're absolutely right. I'v...   Nov 2 2012, 09:21
- - IgorC   Great. As for version 'e', V5+eco is twic...   Nov 3 2012, 19:50
- - halb27   There is no -V5+eco. I gave up the -Vn+eco idea (s...   Nov 3 2012, 22:13
- - Dynamic   Thanks for the pointer, Robert. I've grabbed ...   Nov 5 2012, 20:33
- - BFG   This thread has me curious: Robert, have you consi...   Nov 6 2012, 06:32
- - Dynamic   BFG, I can't speak for Robert, but my own thou...   Nov 6 2012, 21:08
|- - BFG   QUOTE (Dynamic @ Nov 6 2012, 14:08) BFG, ...   Nov 7 2012, 00:10
- - halb27   Yes, a lowpass can help.   Nov 7 2012, 00:20
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 6 2012, 17:20) Yes, a...   Nov 7 2012, 00:42
- - halb27   Sorry. A twopass system could help a bit to better...   Nov 7 2012, 07:45
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 7 2012, 00:45) A twop...   Nov 8 2012, 06:32
- - halb27   I think what I said holds true for mp3 in general....   Nov 8 2012, 11:07
- - halb27   I'm back having finished everything on my mind...   Nov 26 2012, 13:44
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 26 2012, 14:44) In th...   Nov 28 2012, 14:30
- - halb27   Yes, I'd like to remove all the speciial optio...   Nov 28 2012, 18:30
|- - BFG   QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 28 2012, 11:30) Yes, ...   Nov 28 2012, 19:23
- - halb27   a) I can keep all the --adbr_xxx options if this i...   Nov 28 2012, 23:03
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- - halb27   Such a test is wonderful, Kamedo2. You are welcome...   Dec 2 2012, 18:14
- - Kamedo2   Halb27, thank you for your great advice! I put...   Dec 2 2012, 19:44
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