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Discussion of v1.1.15’s changes to handling of rating field in ID3v2, [posts #6–13 split from final release thread]
someone8
post Sep 15 2012, 14:02
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Previously, I always used a rating scheme which also incorporates one decimal place (mostly .5). But after the recent rating tag change

QUOTE (db1989 @ Sep 15 2012, 12:45) *
■ ID3v2: “rating” tags now compatible with Windows Media Player (beta 2).


, my old habit can't be realized anymore, as only the number without the decimal places is saved (to assure WMP compatibility). However, if write a "6" (or any higher number) in the rating tag with foobar, it is saved but will never be compatible with WMP. So can the developers please enable the possibility to save floating numbers again, and only write WMP compatible rating tags, if the written rating is [1 2 3 4 5]? This would help me a lot, because I wouldn't have to modify my whole music library to use a custom rating tag or switching to a [1 2 3 ... 10] (from a [1.0 1.5 2.0 2.5 ... 5]) rating.

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post Oct 8 2012, 20:35
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Couple of corrections after more research. On a fresh install there is only RATING as the default in the Masstagger dropdown to Set a Value, and under v1.1.14a if I try to add a "RATING WMP" entry, it creates a TXXX frame of "RATING WMP" - not very useful. And according to MP3Tag's tag mapping page, RATING MM for Media Monkey also uses POPM for its file Rating tag, same as WMP. So before v1.1.15 there was NO way to create a POPM Rating in FB2K?
That said, a config option to toggle mapping to TXXX or POPM would be ideal for folks like me who prefer a generically-named user tag for Rating that won't get overlaid by any over-zealous software copying its database Rating to POPM.

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post Oct 8 2012, 22:47
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QUOTE (trelain @ Oct 8 2012, 15:35) *
Couple of corrections after more research. On a fresh install there is only RATING as the default in the Masstagger dropdown to Set a Value, and under v1.1.14a if I try to add a "RATING WMP" entry, it creates a TXXX frame of "RATING WMP" - not very useful.
Those values shown in masstagger are the default standard fields (Prefs->Advanced->Display->Properties dialog->Standard fields) + other field values you've used in your previous masstagger scripts. Why you used a "not very useful" tag previously is anyone's guess. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (trelain @ Oct 8 2012, 15:35) *
And according to MP3Tag's tag mapping page, RATING MM for Media Monkey also uses POPM for its file Rating tag, same as WMP.
To clarify your statement for other readers: "RATING MM" is what mp3tag calls how it is that Windows Media Player, Media Monkey and now foobar2000 all use the POPM id3 frame for rating.

QUOTE (trelain @ Oct 8 2012, 15:35) *
So before v1.1.15 there was NO way to create a POPM Rating in FB2K?
Correct, that's why this is an improvement.

QUOTE (trelain @ Oct 8 2012, 15:35) *
That said, a config option to toggle mapping to TXXX or POPM would be ideal for folks like me who prefer a generically-named user tag for Rating that won't get overlaid by any over-zealous software copying its database Rating to POPM.
People who are so paranoid about other "overzealous software" can just use id3v2.4 and they get their wishes and it won't be interopertable with anything else. Hell if you just want a TXXX:RATING tag in id3v2.3 that isn't interoperable with anything just store your tags with any string value that isn't "1", "2", "3", "4" or "5".

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Honestly, this whole thread has so far been a complete overreaction to a very minor change. The mass of users would never notice this, except for "hey my ratings work now!". It's an improvement for them because they need their tags compatible with the most popular software, because it should "just work" for them. And the knowledgeable users don't care because they are already using foo_playcount because they realize storing user-specific data in tags is folly. You have to be right in that uncanny valley of middleground "power user" for this to somehow be a problem for you.

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- someone8   Discussion of v1.1.15’s changes to handling of rating field in ID3v2   Sep 15 2012, 14:02
- - q-stankovic   Why don't you use just another tag? Instead...   Sep 15 2012, 16:38
- - someone8   As I already said, this would be an option but qui...   Sep 15 2012, 17:39
- - MDMA   It's not an effort to apply it to the whole li...   Sep 15 2012, 17:42
- - someone8   OK, thanks. I will do that. But still, strange beh...   Sep 15 2012, 18:24
- - shakey_snake   QUOTE Did anyone stop to consider the possibility ...   Sep 15 2012, 19:46
- - BenB   I don't think foobar writing a POPM frame belo...   Sep 15 2012, 21:01
- - neothe0ne   I think a nice compromise would be having an advan...   Sep 15 2012, 22:31
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (BenB @ Sep 15 2012, 16:01) I don...   Sep 15 2012, 23:20
|- - BenB   QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Sep 15 2012, 17:20)...   Sep 16 2012, 00:59
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (BenB @ Sep 15 2012, 19:59) I'm...   Sep 17 2012, 13:47
- - q-stankovic   If the aim is just to avoid the same tag in two di...   Sep 16 2012, 00:52
- - EpicForever   QUOTE (q-stankovic @ Sep 16 2012, 00...   Sep 16 2012, 21:00
- - db1989   QUOTE (BenB @ Sep 15 2012, 19:32) QUOTE (...   Sep 17 2012, 12:32
- - Defrance   I'd like to explain the issue this implementat...   Sep 25 2012, 07:04
- - Emerelle   +1 for the suggestion to make TXXX rating tags an ...   Sep 27 2012, 11:11
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (Emerelle @ Sep 27 2012, 06:11) +1 ...   Sep 27 2012, 13:50
- - Emerelle   Exactly, not wmp. Any other software I tried so fa...   Sep 27 2012, 15:25
- - Defrance   Other than a few bytes of space per file, what is ...   Sep 27 2012, 20:34
|- - trelain   QUOTE (Defrance @ Sep 27 2012, 14:34) Oth...   Oct 8 2012, 04:33
- - trelain   Couple of corrections after more research. On a ...   Oct 8 2012, 20:35
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (trelain @ Oct 8 2012, 15:35) Coupl...   Oct 8 2012, 22:47
- - Sandrine   I am not sure I understand all the implications of...   Oct 19 2012, 14:26
- - BenB   foobar 1.1.16 beta 1 has been released and the fol...   Oct 20 2012, 18:20
|- - trelain   QUOTE (BenB @ Oct 20 2012, 12:20) foobar ...   Oct 22 2012, 23:02
- - Sandrine   The question remains - which to choose? ... see po...   Oct 20 2012, 20:59
- - BenB   It's a matter of preference/necessity. If you...   Oct 20 2012, 22:35
- - roc   +1, I'm sure that would help out a lot of peop...   Nov 6 2012, 01:53
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (roc @ Nov 5 2012, 19:53) Questions...   Nov 6 2012, 04:53
- - trelain   You are seeing a different interpretive "spre...   Nov 6 2012, 13:23
- - roc   Thanks for the additional info shakey_snake, trela...   Nov 6 2012, 16:17


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