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Discussion of v1.1.15’s changes to handling of rating field in ID3v2, [posts #6–13 split from final release thread]
someone8
post Sep 15 2012, 14:02
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Previously, I always used a rating scheme which also incorporates one decimal place (mostly .5). But after the recent rating tag change

QUOTE (db1989 @ Sep 15 2012, 12:45) *
■ ID3v2: “rating” tags now compatible with Windows Media Player (beta 2).


, my old habit can't be realized anymore, as only the number without the decimal places is saved (to assure WMP compatibility). However, if write a "6" (or any higher number) in the rating tag with foobar, it is saved but will never be compatible with WMP. So can the developers please enable the possibility to save floating numbers again, and only write WMP compatible rating tags, if the written rating is [1 2 3 4 5]? This would help me a lot, because I wouldn't have to modify my whole music library to use a custom rating tag or switching to a [1 2 3 ... 10] (from a [1.0 1.5 2.0 2.5 ... 5]) rating.

Thanks in advance!
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neothe0ne
post Sep 15 2012, 22:31
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I think a nice compromise would be having an advanced option to toggle what the Rating tag is saved to. (So that we can turn off the WMP compatibility)
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post Sep 15 2012, 23:20
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QUOTE (BenB @ Sep 15 2012, 16:01) *
I don't think foobar writing a POPM frame belonging to another software is a good idea. It would be better that foobar writes a POPM frame of its own.
Please stop.

You are entirely out of your league and don't even seem to understand grasp the basics of the situation, so please save us from your "fix suggestions". I'm sorry if this seems curt, but I am here in attempt to clarify what the changelog means, I don't need you getting 10 steps ahead of yourself.


QUOTE (BenB @ Sep 15 2012, 16:01) *
This would prevent the situation I described above.
There are many ways to avoid the situation you've described above, one of which has already been implemented in component that I shared above. Why not explore your available options, first, before burdening us with your half-baked ideas?

Until this fix was made there was no way to get the mp3 tag to correctly work between programs. Now there is. Compatibility enhancement added. End of story.

QUOTE (BenB @ Sep 15 2012, 16:01) *
I need to make one clarification related to my initial post. I incorrectly (but I think reasonably) assumed that because foobar can write a WMP POPM frame that it would also see existing frames and import them for ratings. foobar does NOT do this...
It can read a mp3's ratings (and add it to your user-specific statistics database), by using the "import statistics from file tags" feature found in the playback statistics menu.

QUOTE (neothe0ne @ Sep 15 2012, 17:31) *
I think a nice compromise would be having an advanced option to toggle what the Rating tag is saved to. (So that we can turn off the WMP compatibility)
If we added a new option every time one user didn't understand something...

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post Sep 16 2012, 00:59
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QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Sep 15 2012, 17:20) *
Please stop.

You are entirely out of your league and don't even seem to understand grasp the basics of the situation, so please save us from your "fix suggestions". I'm sorry if this seems curt, but I am here in attempt to clarify what the changelog means, I don't need you getting 10 steps ahead of yourself.

There is no need for personal insults. You don't know me so please refrain from characterizing me or my abilities. I could say more in this regard but I'm not going to engage anyone in a dick-measuring contest. It's irrelevant and pointless. Again, there is no need to make this personal.
QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Sep 15 2012, 17:20) *
There are many ways to avoid the situation you've described above, one of which has already been implemented in component that I shared above. Why not explore your available options, first, before burdening us with your half-baked ideas?

I'm well aware of the various ways to get around the situation and I alluded to them in my previous posts. For the record, this change doesn't affect me. I never write ratings tags to files. I'm speaking up for those who can't or won't speak up for themselves. Now I have a question for you: Why doesn't development seek any input from foobar users before making changes which might negatively affect the users?
QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Sep 15 2012, 17:20) *
Until this fix was made there was no way to get the mp3 tag to correctly work between programs. Now there is. Compatibility enhancement added. End of story.

I wasn't aware there was a high demand for this change. I've not seen any recent posts in this regard. The change doesn't affect me as I've already stated. I'm a fan of compatibility between programs. I raised valid concerns in regard to how this change might affect users and suggested a remedy. Development can take them into consideration or ignore them. I stated my case.
QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Sep 15 2012, 17:20) *
It can read a mp3's ratings (and add it to your user-specific statistics database), by using the "import statistics from file tags" feature found in the playback statistics menu.

I didn't clarify myself enough. I meant it doesn't import those ratings automatically, forcing users to have to change ratings which aren't theirs. I took it for granted that others would take what I was saying in the context of a multi-user environment (indeed all of my comments were in that context), which I shouldn't have done.
QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Sep 15 2012, 17:20) *
If we added a new option every time one user didn't understand something...

Rather flippant remark (and a mischaracterization if you were referring to me).

I do request that this discussion be split into a separate thread, at least from my second post (with relevant references from earlier posts included, of course).

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- someone8   Discussion of v1.1.15’s changes to handling of rating field in ID3v2   Sep 15 2012, 14:02
- - q-stankovic   Why don't you use just another tag? Instead...   Sep 15 2012, 16:38
- - someone8   As I already said, this would be an option but qui...   Sep 15 2012, 17:39
- - MDMA   It's not an effort to apply it to the whole li...   Sep 15 2012, 17:42
- - someone8   OK, thanks. I will do that. But still, strange beh...   Sep 15 2012, 18:24
- - shakey_snake   QUOTE Did anyone stop to consider the possibility ...   Sep 15 2012, 19:46
- - BenB   I don't think foobar writing a POPM frame belo...   Sep 15 2012, 21:01
- - neothe0ne   I think a nice compromise would be having an advan...   Sep 15 2012, 22:31
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (BenB @ Sep 15 2012, 16:01) I don...   Sep 15 2012, 23:20
|- - BenB   QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Sep 15 2012, 17:20)...   Sep 16 2012, 00:59
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (BenB @ Sep 15 2012, 19:59) I'm...   Sep 17 2012, 13:47
- - q-stankovic   If the aim is just to avoid the same tag in two di...   Sep 16 2012, 00:52
- - EpicForever   QUOTE (q-stankovic @ Sep 16 2012, 00...   Sep 16 2012, 21:00
- - db1989   QUOTE (BenB @ Sep 15 2012, 19:32) QUOTE (...   Sep 17 2012, 12:32
- - Defrance   I'd like to explain the issue this implementat...   Sep 25 2012, 07:04
- - Emerelle   +1 for the suggestion to make TXXX rating tags an ...   Sep 27 2012, 11:11
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (Emerelle @ Sep 27 2012, 06:11) +1 ...   Sep 27 2012, 13:50
- - Emerelle   Exactly, not wmp. Any other software I tried so fa...   Sep 27 2012, 15:25
- - Defrance   Other than a few bytes of space per file, what is ...   Sep 27 2012, 20:34
|- - trelain   QUOTE (Defrance @ Sep 27 2012, 14:34) Oth...   Oct 8 2012, 04:33
- - trelain   Couple of corrections after more research. On a ...   Oct 8 2012, 20:35
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (trelain @ Oct 8 2012, 15:35) Coupl...   Oct 8 2012, 22:47
- - Sandrine   I am not sure I understand all the implications of...   Oct 19 2012, 14:26
- - BenB   foobar 1.1.16 beta 1 has been released and the fol...   Oct 20 2012, 18:20
|- - trelain   QUOTE (BenB @ Oct 20 2012, 12:20) foobar ...   Oct 22 2012, 23:02
- - Sandrine   The question remains - which to choose? ... see po...   Oct 20 2012, 20:59
- - BenB   It's a matter of preference/necessity. If you...   Oct 20 2012, 22:35
- - roc   +1, I'm sure that would help out a lot of peop...   Nov 6 2012, 01:53
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (roc @ Nov 5 2012, 19:53) Questions...   Nov 6 2012, 04:53
- - trelain   You are seeing a different interpretive "spre...   Nov 6 2012, 13:23
- - roc   Thanks for the additional info shakey_snake, trela...   Nov 6 2012, 16:17


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