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spoon
post Aug 31 2012, 17:26
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From January 2012 FLAC is being maintained by Erik de Castro Lopo under the auspices of the Xiph.org Foundation.


Taken from

https://github.com/crrodriguez/flac

...but I guess this guy does not have the access to flac.soureforge.net

From an Email I sent off to Eric,

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Mr Spoon wrote:

> We have been trying to find what has happened to Josh for quite a while

He's fine, just not working on FLAC anymore.

> now, we came across https://github.com/crrodriguez/flac which suggests =
> you have taken over FLAC management? is this correct?

Yes it is.

> have you taken over flac.sf.net also?

We are in the process of moving the web pages to:

http://xiph.rog/flac/

Once that is done, we will ask Josh to set up a HTTP redirect on the
flac.sf.net web site.

Cheers,
Erik


So it seems Josh is no longer working on FLAC, I am concerned that merging into xiph might not be best for FLACs future...(it is nothing personal against xiph), FLAC has a window of opportunity to become the defacto lossless codec, but without strong management it will not (and in 4 years everything will be in Apple lossless, or some such)

I propose that a team from HA is put together and then propose to xiph that such a team take over FLACs stewardship. If you are interested put your name forward, and if the team is strong, we can propose.

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post Nov 22 2012, 16:36
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Are you prepared to substantiate either of those sound quality claims even if one of them is only expressed as an opinion*?

Wolfson vs. Cirrus Logic?

High bitrate Nero AAC vs. lossless?

(*) opinions are not in any way exempt from TOS #8.

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post Nov 22 2012, 22:29
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QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 22 2012, 16:36) *
Are you prepared to substantiate either of those sound quality claims even if one of them is only expressed as an opinion*?

Wolfson vs. Cirrus Logic?

High bitrate Nero AAC vs. lossless?

(*) opinions are not in any way exempt from TOS #8.

No claims were made. I don't know if Apple prefers Wolfson to CL, they've used both in earlier products. I suspect the CL was the smaller chip, so it went in the phone. There have been comments made by reviewers that the iPhone 5 audio is a notch below the iPhone 4S sound, so maybe the Wolfson in the adapter is a larger, better DAC than the tiny CL they used. I was just making the point that they bothered to put a DAC in the adapter--must have had a reason, since it makes the adapter more expensive.

As for FLAC vs. AAC, I said I couldn't hear much difference with my setup. If I had a pair of $500 Sennheiser IEMs instead of my $150 Shures, I could probably tell the difference--but the iPhone only cost me $200, so I'm not going that route. As always, YMMV. I'm transcoding to 300 VBR AAC, so the quality's pretty good, but I'm not claiming it's as good as lossless. It's just good enough for my usage.

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- spoon   The Future of FLAC   Aug 31 2012, 17:26
- - yourlord   Is there a reason to question Eric's stewardsh...   Aug 31 2012, 18:15
|- - mudlord   QUOTE (yourlord @ Aug 31 2012, 12:15) Is ...   Sep 1 2012, 09:31
|- - BFG   I find this thread to be a fascinating look into a...   Nov 21 2012, 00:21
|- - tuffy   QUOTE (BFG @ Nov 20 2012, 18:21) So here...   Nov 21 2012, 01:37
||- - Porcus   QUOTE (tuffy @ Nov 21 2012, 01:37) Howeve...   Nov 21 2012, 02:13
||- - BFG   QUOTE (Porcus @ Nov 20 2012, 19:13) Shoul...   Nov 21 2012, 05:46
||- - Dynamic   QUOTE (BFG @ Nov 21 2012, 04:46) But yes,...   Nov 22 2012, 12:06
|- - eahm   QUOTE (BFG @ Nov 20 2012, 16:21) I find t...   Nov 21 2012, 02:06
- - spoon   If it has been under Xiph umbrella for some time, ...   Aug 31 2012, 18:59
- - xTobix   QUOTE (spoon @ Aug 31 2012, 17:26) QUOTE ...   Aug 31 2012, 19:33
|- - greynol   QUOTE (xTobix @ Aug 31 2012, 11:33) I am ...   Aug 31 2012, 19:52
- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (spoon @ Aug 31 2012, 18:26) https:...   Aug 31 2012, 19:39
|- - xTobix   Thanks Kohlrabi, QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Aug 31 20...   Aug 31 2012, 20:15
|- - db1989   QUOTE (xTobix @ Aug 31 2012, 20:15) @grey...   Aug 31 2012, 22:04
|- - xTobix   QUOTE (db1989 @ Aug 31 2012, 22:04) QUOTE...   Aug 31 2012, 22:16
- - yourlord   From a code base perspective I'm not sure what...   Aug 31 2012, 20:26
- - spoon   Got it in one yourlord (I think what is really nee...   Aug 31 2012, 21:11
- - sshd   FLAC needs >2G support   Aug 31 2012, 21:16
- - IgorC   AFAIK the future Xiph's format Ghost will supp...   Aug 31 2012, 21:30
- - westgroveg   I'm curious as to how you 'push' a aud...   Aug 31 2012, 21:51
- - spoon   Everybody knows somebody...contacts can be found -...   Aug 31 2012, 22:02
- - Wombat   Strangely the flac development stopped around the ...   Aug 31 2012, 22:09
- - yourlord   QUOTE (IgorC @ Aug 31 2012, 16:30) AFAIK ...   Aug 31 2012, 22:14
|- - xiphmont   QUOTE (yourlord @ Aug 31 2012, 17:14) QUO...   Sep 1 2012, 11:18
- - krafty   I was also wondering what happened to the FLAC pro...   Aug 31 2012, 23:43
|- - Dario   QUOTE (krafty @ Sep 1 2012, 00:43) (Stran...   Sep 1 2012, 00:03
- - kwanbis   More or less, they reached a point of maturity. Bu...   Sep 1 2012, 02:01
- - godrick   It seems impossible to tell what xiph's goals ...   Sep 1 2012, 03:21
|- - jensend   Most of this thread is extremely bizarre. Reading ...   Sep 1 2012, 07:11
- - spoon   @Jensend - flac does not hugely need massive devel...   Sep 1 2012, 09:21
|- - maikmerten   QUOTE (spoon @ Sep 1 2012, 09:21) @Jensen...   Sep 1 2012, 10:37
- - kjoonlee   So volunteer for work. Not that hard, I should thi...   Sep 1 2012, 09:29
- - smok3   it is open source right? So no need to ask questi...   Sep 1 2012, 10:28
- - AliceWonder   The only problem I have with flac under Xiph stewa...   Sep 2 2012, 10:57
|- - maikmerten   QUOTE (AliceWonder @ Sep 2 2012, 10:57) T...   Sep 3 2012, 09:05
|- - AliceWonder   QUOTE QUOTE (maikmerten @ Sep 3 2012, 01...   Sep 3 2012, 11:48
- - mudlord   As I said, not gonna happen when the current maint...   Sep 2 2012, 13:21
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (mudlord @ Sep 2 2012, 08:21) As I ...   Sep 2 2012, 15:57
- - Nick.C   Support for 16-bit float samples would be nice too...   Sep 2 2012, 13:27
- - mudlord   I hardly doubt it this has anything to do with ide...   Sep 3 2012, 00:09
|- - godrick   QUOTE (mudlord @ Sep 3 2012, 00:09) I har...   Sep 3 2012, 02:52
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (mudlord @ Sep 2 2012, 19:09) I har...   Sep 6 2012, 06:30
|- - 73ChargerFan   QUOTE (mudlord @ Sep 2 2012, 16:09) I har...   Oct 21 2012, 00:11
- - markanini   Maybe it's an aside but I see flac as having u...   Sep 3 2012, 01:44
|- - maikmerten   QUOTE (markanini @ Sep 3 2012, 01:44) Yet...   Sep 3 2012, 08:53
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (markanini @ Sep 3 2012, 02:44) Yet...   Oct 20 2012, 18:21
- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (spoon @ Aug 31 2012, 10:26) So it ...   Sep 3 2012, 04:30
|- - AliceWonder   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Sep 2 2012, 20:30)...   Sep 3 2012, 07:17
- - Porcus   Keep calm now. A “hostile takeover” -- or anything...   Sep 3 2012, 08:59
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Porcus @ Sep 3 2012, 08:59) Keep c...   Sep 3 2012, 10:58
- - CoyoteSmith   Flac's biggest issue IMO is broad knowledge fr...   Sep 6 2012, 03:06
- - mudlord   Not productive? I call it being completely realist...   Sep 6 2012, 06:58
- - Azevedo   Such a downturn for the economy, such a downturn f...   Oct 20 2012, 14:58
- - Wombat   QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Oct 20 2012, 19:21) Ot...   Oct 20 2012, 18:36
- - spoon   Eric had assured me he would reply addressing some...   Oct 20 2012, 19:04
- - Brand   QUOTE (maikmerten @ Sep 1 2012, 11:37) On...   Oct 21 2012, 09:42
- - lameboy   I think Xiph should push to make FLAC an ISO-stand...   Oct 23 2012, 08:05
- - LithosZA   QUOTE I think Xiph should push to make FLAC an ISO...   Oct 23 2012, 08:17
|- - lameboy   QUOTE (LithosZA @ Oct 23 2012, 09:17) QUO...   Oct 23 2012, 09:40
- - eahm   QUOTE (sshd @ Aug 31 2012, 13:16) FLAC ne...   Nov 20 2012, 05:29
- - shadowking   Oh this nonsense has been debunked before. Wavpack...   Nov 20 2012, 06:14
|- - eahm   QUOTE (shadowking @ Nov 19 2012, 22:14) O...   Nov 20 2012, 06:24
- - shadowking   How exactly is a wavpack user gonna end up with a ...   Nov 20 2012, 06:29
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (shadowking @ Nov 20 2012, 06:29) H...   Nov 20 2012, 09:31
- - greensdrive   QUOTE (eahm @ Nov 19 2012, 22:29) You cou...   Nov 20 2012, 06:49
- - nu774   I don't get it. Container formats like WAV, AI...   Nov 20 2012, 07:00
- - 2Bdecided   Some of this is pure naivety. lossyFLAC exists Th...   Nov 20 2012, 11:44
- - IgorC   FLAC is a great format. But given that the market...   Nov 20 2012, 16:54
- - Nick.C   Class 10 64GB µSDHC card in phone, FLAC to phone i...   Nov 20 2012, 19:54
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (Nick.C @ Nov 20 2012, 15:54) Class...   Nov 21 2012, 03:52
- - pdq   I keep a collection of 8 GB cards ($4 each) a...   Nov 20 2012, 20:11
- - yourlord   I use FLAC as my playable local network archive. I...   Nov 20 2012, 22:01
- - greynol   You might try and see how TAK does on them.   Nov 21 2012, 06:34
- - jkauff   I have a new iPhone 5, my first Apple device. My a...   Nov 22 2012, 16:08
- - greynol   Are you prepared to substantiate either of those s...   Nov 22 2012, 16:36
|- - jkauff   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 22 2012, 16:36) Are ...   Nov 22 2012, 22:29
- - skamp   QUOTE (jkauff @ Nov 22 2012, 16:08) IMO, ...   Nov 23 2012, 00:48
|- - jkauff   QUOTE (skamp @ Nov 23 2012, 00:48) Those ...   Nov 23 2012, 08:07
- - greynol   It's too bad this topic had to take tangential...   Nov 23 2012, 16:37
- - Axon   If the future of FLAC is really in question, why h...   Nov 25 2012, 07:17
- - spoon   The fact that Eric has (up until now) ignored the ...   Nov 25 2012, 20:49
- - BFG   This kind of makes me wonder if Justin Ruggles (th...   Nov 25 2012, 21:36
|- - Justin Ruggles   QUOTE (BFG @ Nov 25 2012, 16:36) This kin...   Nov 26 2012, 18:51
|- - BFG   QUOTE (Justin Ruggles @ Nov 26 2012, 11:5...   Nov 26 2012, 21:30
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