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Jeff Atwood's "Great MP3 Bitrate Experiment", From the Coding Horror blog.
kinnerful
post Jun 25 2012, 17:28
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http://lifehacker.com/5920793/the-great-mp...rate-experiment
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/06/t...experiment.html

I guess lifehacker has a larger audience than hydrogenaudio... could be interesting
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post Jun 29 2012, 02:27
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We already know the pointlessness of catering to audiophiles since they are never satisfied (which is practically the working definition of an audiophile). This is without considering their rampant lack of objectivity.

My general concerns that people often draw sweeping generalizations from a small data set are once again front and center here. Forget about killer samples; lossy codecs are not universally transparent across all music to all people. It's foolish to think a test like this proves otherwise, not that I believe people here think that.

With regards to what genres are most difficult to encode, I think we've discussed this before. IIRC when looking at average bitrate at any given VBR quality level on a per genre basis, metal requires far more data than classical. In terms of samples and positive ABX results submitted to the forum indicating a lack of transparency at high bitrates, again it is usually metal and rarely classical music.

That said, I still applaud any effort that attempts to gather objective data, especially when it places an emphasis on the importance that the data actually be objective.

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- kinnerful   Jeff Atwood's "Great MP3 Bitrate Experiment"   Jun 25 2012, 17:28
- - JJZolx   Anyone who would pay a kid $1 per CD to rip t...   Jun 25 2012, 17:40
- - db1989   QUOTE The point of this exercise is absolutely not...   Jun 25 2012, 17:57
- - Canar   http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/06/c...exper...   Jun 27 2012, 20:07
|- - greynol   QUOTE Beyond that, as you'd expect, nobody can...   Jun 27 2012, 20:24
- - halb27   For a mere bitrate comparison it's a pity that...   Jun 28 2012, 09:22
|- - lvqcl   QUOTE (halb27 @ Jun 28 2012, 12:22) Curre...   Jun 28 2012, 11:32
- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE Lately I've been trying to rid my life o...   Jun 28 2012, 10:57
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jun 28 2012, 05:57) P....   Jun 28 2012, 20:21
|- - mjb2006   QUOTE (krabapple @ Jun 28 2012, 13:21) Wh...   Jun 28 2012, 21:24
||- - greynol   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Jun 28 2012, 13:24) only...   Jun 28 2012, 21:30
|||- - Canar   QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 28 2012, 13:30) +1 w...   Jun 28 2012, 22:56
||- - krabapple   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Jun 28 2012, 16:24) QUOT...   Jun 29 2012, 01:34
||- - db1989   As I interpret their posts, mjb2006 and greynol wa...   Jun 29 2012, 01:53
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (krabapple @ Jun 28 2012, 20:21) Wo...   Jun 29 2012, 10:45
- - greynol   One of these:   Jun 28 2012, 22:58
|- - splice   QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 28 2012, 14:58) One ...   Jul 3 2012, 15:04
- - JJZolx   Was this experiment done using ABX?   Jun 28 2012, 23:17
- - greynol   You mean did I actually hear eig, trumpet, herding...   Jun 28 2012, 23:27
- - db1989   Itís more likely that JJZolx is asking about the t...   Jun 28 2012, 23:38
- - JJZolx   Was that in response to my question? I don't g...   Jun 28 2012, 23:39
- - greynol   Seriousness: +1 (no bullet this time) Playful bant...   Jun 28 2012, 23:43
- - halb27   In one of the comments the author found that many ...   Jun 28 2012, 23:52
- - greynol   We already know the pointlessness of catering to a...   Jun 29 2012, 02:27
- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (kinnerful @ Jun 25 2012, 12:28) ht...   Jun 29 2012, 14:28
- - nevermind   Sorry to resurrect this thread (without waiting at...   Jul 3 2012, 04:21
|- - mzil   QUOTE (nevermind @ Jul 2 2012, 23:21) may...   Jul 3 2012, 15:40
- - 2Bdecided   Like someone else said, I think some testers got a...   Jul 3 2012, 11:52
- - db1989   There is a fundamental difference between data tha...   Jul 3 2012, 15:47
- - mzil   You shouldn't cherry pick raw data under any c...   Jul 3 2012, 18:26
|- - db1989   Disclaimer: meandering musings QUOTE (mzil ...   Jul 3 2012, 18:51
||- - Canar   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jul 3 2012, 10:51) Since ...   Jul 3 2012, 19:11
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (mzil @ Jul 3 2012, 19:26) You shou...   Jul 3 2012, 20:28
- - Canar   Disregarding all listeners who rated WAV as less t...   Jul 3 2012, 18:47
- - mzil   http://news.change.org/stories/cherry-pick...ienti...   Jul 3 2012, 21:24
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (mzil @ Jul 3 2012, 16:24) As alway...   Jul 3 2012, 22:05
||- - Canar   QUOTE (saratoga @ Jul 3 2012, 14:05) basi...   Jul 3 2012, 22:23
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (mzil @ Jul 3 2012, 22:24) QUOTE As...   Jul 4 2012, 00:59
- - db1989   Shall I just repeat what I’ve already said a...   Jul 3 2012, 21:30
- - mzil   I think there is a belief here that "as long ...   Jul 3 2012, 21:33
- - Canar   Data are data. If there has been some kind of proc...   Jul 3 2012, 21:39
- - mzil   QUOTE (Canar @ Jul 3 2012, 16:39) If ther...   Jul 3 2012, 23:18
- - saratoga   QUOTE (mzil @ Jul 3 2012, 18:18) "Ch...   Jul 4 2012, 00:19


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