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quality of amazon and itunes mp3s
crodgers
post Jun 22 2012, 04:45
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Does anyone know what the quality of mp3s is from Amazon mp3?

What about the quality of mp3s from iTunes (the store, not ripping on pc)?

How are either of these qualities compared to buying a CD and ripping it myself with EAC and lame?
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post Oct 21 2012, 19:04
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@Blutarsky: From your post and replies to what others told you, it is clear that you don't know several things about MP3, (and several others about iTunes Store).

First, that MP4/AAC (which is what iTunes Store has always used) is not the same as MP3. (Second post in this thread already explains it).
Second, that you don't know how to judge quality in terms of lossy codecs.
And third, you don't know the limitations of the MP3 codec, and how LAME has been tweaked these last years to increase in sound quality, while not caring about "visual" quality.


See your posted graph:
- The differences in background from 16Khz above are at -95dBFS and below.
- The filter in MP3 is at 19Khz and in AAC at 21Khz. Said that, filtered sounds are around -70dbFS and below.
- Peaks on that sound are at -30dbFS or so.


LAME:
- MP3 has a limitation at 16Khz and above that can cause to use many bits to keep precision, reducing the amount free for the rest of the sound (which is not desiderable). As such, LAME limits the precision in these bands. That's why you see the clear 16Khz background cut.
- Also, higher frequencies are always more difficult to encode, because they are not tonal (easy to describe), but noise-like (difficult to describe).
Using the filter around 20Khz (which most CD audio players were supposed to do anyway) is just another way to reduce the bits spent on frequencies that the human ear doesn't hear (most of the time), to spend them on the rest of the bands.


As such, from those spectograms, one cannot say that the MP3 one is of less quality in terms of lossy codecs. One can only say that they use a different strategy, which in the case of AAC/MP4 can do so because it does not have those MP3 limitations.
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- crodgers   quality of amazon and itunes mp3s   Jun 22 2012, 04:45
- - eahm   Amazon = MP3 (LAME) (.mp3) VBR V0 iTunes (Music S...   Jun 22 2012, 04:54
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 21 2012, 22:54) ...iTun...   Jun 22 2012, 11:58
|- - HamilcarBarca   QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 21 2012, 21:54) Amazon ...   Jun 22 2012, 22:26
- - RobertoDomenico   At those bit-rates under abx tests it would be ext...   Jun 22 2012, 06:14
- - slks   I've never used Amazon MP3 myself, but I recal...   Jun 22 2012, 09:46
- - kornchild2002   They do vary depending on what was provided to the...   Jun 22 2012, 10:29
|- - crodgers   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jun 22 2012, 05:29...   Jun 22 2012, 12:11
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (crodgers @ Jun 22 2012, 05:11) So,...   Jun 22 2012, 19:41
- - Porcus   I wouldn't worry that much about possibly audi...   Jun 22 2012, 12:16
- - crodgers   For my own ripping and encoding, I use EAC and let...   Jun 22 2012, 15:14
|- - slks   QUOTE (crodgers @ Jun 22 2012, 09:14) For...   Jul 4 2012, 19:35
- - eahm   crodgers, don't worry about the quality in ter...   Jun 22 2012, 16:20
- - Jedi82   Why is so difficult for these company say to us wh...   Jun 22 2012, 20:58
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (Jedi82 @ Jun 22 2012, 13:58) Why i...   Jun 23 2012, 00:51
- - Aleron Ives   Amazon does indeed bury that page, but it does exi...   Jun 23 2012, 06:26
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (Aleron Ives @ Jun 23 2012, 07:26) ...   Jun 23 2012, 07:03
- - kornchild2002   Thanks Aleron for providing that link. I gave up ...   Jun 23 2012, 13:00
- - Jedi82   also the AAC files download via iTunes match are T...   Jun 24 2012, 12:28
- - db1989   You could search. One example for the query iTunes...   Jun 24 2012, 12:35
- - Blutarsky   While attempting to abandon Apple for my rare ...   Oct 21 2012, 15:29
|- - lvqcl   QUOTE (Blutarsky @ Oct 21 2012, 18:29) an...   Oct 21 2012, 15:48
|- - Blutarsky   QUOTE (lvqcl @ Oct 21 2012, 09:48) QUOTE ...   Oct 21 2012, 16:28
- - lvqcl   I just wanted to say that you compare AAC (M4A fil...   Oct 21 2012, 16:40
|- - Blutarsky   QUOTE (lvqcl @ Oct 21 2012, 10:40) I just...   Oct 21 2012, 16:43
|- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (Blutarsky @ Oct 21 2012, 17:43) QU...   Oct 21 2012, 17:54
- - [JAZ]   @Blutarsky: From your post and replies to what oth...   Oct 21 2012, 19:04
- - Porcus   It strikes me that perceptual noise substitution i...   Oct 22 2012, 00:28


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