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1.1.12 ID3v2 changes - discussion, Was: "FEATURE REQUEST: The ability to disable all metadata taggin
BenB
post May 27 2012, 04:11
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FEATURE REQUEST: The ability to disable all metadata tagging within foobar

With the release of 1.1.12, the developers have seen fit to implement a new way of handling custom TXXX frames within foobar that borks them everywhere else. Frames with the same name are now renamed by appending [1],[2],[3], etc. which makes them essentially different tags and no longer able to be used as intended outside of foobar. (Maybe inside too, idk, I did a separate portable install of 1.1.12 to investigate beforehand. At least the changes were vaguely referenced in the changelog.)

Also, multiple TCON frames (genre) are now joined into one frame and separated by a "/" with no spaces. This isn't so bad if you don't already utilize forward slashes within your genres, but if you do, guess what...

Oh and using the replaygain scanner on your files will alter your tags and change them as mentioned above.


So, how about it developers? Will give give us the means to disable your ability to manipulate our files according to your whims? What you've done isn't part of the id3v2.3 standard. I've been trying to understand the tagging in foobar, but it's just impossible. On one hand there's this almost strict adherence to specifications no one else abides by, while on the other hand, there are deviations from the standard implemented that conflict with the other deviations other software/hardware developers have implemented. If foobar's tagging were a person, it'd be simultaneously OCD and schizotypal. I wish someone could explain the reasoning behind this change. Was there an angry mob clamoring for it? If so, it's not apparent in the forums.

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post May 31 2012, 19:00
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QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 12:01) *
Regarding mulit-value TCON:
I'm open to suggestions how to do this yet keep foobar2000 tagging compatible with apps that do not recognize multiple TCON frames (iTunes, WMP).
Semicolon as a separator sounds like a good starting point.
Jriver and Helium Music Manager do recognize multiple TCON frames but to treat them in their library as multiple values in HMM you have to "extract" them: doing that transforms the slash in a - guess!;) - semicolon, it transforms any other sign used as delimiter to a semicolon. In Jriver the full content (all multiple values) is treated as single value: to show in their library the single values you have to use the LIST-function that also is able to use any other sign as sign for recognizing single values. The TCOM frame gets a funny treatment in HMM: the tag editor reads the whole content but the library only the first value. Also here the semicolon would give more compatibility. The last argument is valid for WMP/iTunes too.

How do you think about removing or at least making optional fb2k's behaviour to use slash as seperator for special fields? It is not only confusing because it is only related to mp3's with id3v2.3 tags but also because it is related only to a few special fields and for artist it furthermore require a space left and right to slash that makes it even uglier. As i already said: the compliance to standard doesn't serve any purpose, it is the purpose itself

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- BenB   1.1.12 ID3v2 changes - discussion   May 27 2012, 04:11
- - Peter   If you insist that this behavior is problematic fo...   May 27 2012, 07:37
|- - tagtypedisplay   I'm confused. Is f2k's implementation of R...   May 27 2012, 07:44
- - db1989   If you’d actually read the initial post, you’d kno...   May 27 2012, 12:50
|- - tagtypedisplay   QUOTE (db1989 @ May 27 2012, 13:50) If yo...   May 27 2012, 13:47
- - tpijag   Using the ReplayGain scanner writes to replaygain ...   May 27 2012, 13:53
- - Peter   PS I'd like to know: * How exactly you tag you...   May 28 2012, 08:50
- - neothe0ne   The thing that really annoyed me was that upgradin...   May 28 2012, 10:37
- - Mod-Ular   @Peter First had to do some research as i did not ...   May 28 2012, 10:41
|- - mrinferno   having the same issue myself with 1.1.12a. i didn...   May 28 2012, 15:33
|- - Mod-Ular   QUOTE (Mod-Ular @ May 28 2012, 11:41...   May 29 2012, 11:06
- - montyview   Apologies if hijacking thread, but I think this is...   May 28 2012, 18:35
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (mrinferno @ May 28 2012, 16:33) I ...   May 28 2012, 21:14
- - godrick   ID3v2.3 is terrible...except for all of the curren...   May 28 2012, 22:54
|- - wolfsong   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 15:54) I ho...   May 29 2012, 07:26
|- - neothe0ne   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 17:54) Edit...   May 31 2012, 14:08
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 23:54) Thus...   May 29 2012, 17:12
- - q-stankovic   As i didn't use multiple genres i decided to t...   May 30 2012, 22:16
- - godrick   q-stankovic, I share much of your frustration with...   May 31 2012, 01:15
- - Peter   Thanks for all your feedback. Regarding TPE2 Albu...   May 31 2012, 11:01
|- - MordredKLB   QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 05:01) Regard...   Jun 1 2012, 07:17
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 12:01) Regard...   May 31 2012, 19:00
- - kode54   id3lib does not enforce proper frame formatting, i...   Jun 2 2012, 01:33
- - MordredKLB   QUOTE (kode54 @ Jun 1 2012, 19:33) id3lib...   Jun 2 2012, 02:24


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