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post May 27 2012, 04:11
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FEATURE REQUEST: The ability to disable all metadata tagging within foobar

With the release of 1.1.12, the developers have seen fit to implement a new way of handling custom TXXX frames within foobar that borks them everywhere else. Frames with the same name are now renamed by appending [1],[2],[3], etc. which makes them essentially different tags and no longer able to be used as intended outside of foobar. (Maybe inside too, idk, I did a separate portable install of 1.1.12 to investigate beforehand. At least the changes were vaguely referenced in the changelog.)

Also, multiple TCON frames (genre) are now joined into one frame and separated by a "/" with no spaces. This isn't so bad if you don't already utilize forward slashes within your genres, but if you do, guess what...

Oh and using the replaygain scanner on your files will alter your tags and change them as mentioned above.

So, how about it developers? Will give give us the means to disable your ability to manipulate our files according to your whims? What you've done isn't part of the id3v2.3 standard. I've been trying to understand the tagging in foobar, but it's just impossible. On one hand there's this almost strict adherence to specifications no one else abides by, while on the other hand, there are deviations from the standard implemented that conflict with the other deviations other software/hardware developers have implemented. If foobar's tagging were a person, it'd be simultaneously OCD and schizotypal. I wish someone could explain the reasoning behind this change. Was there an angry mob clamoring for it? If so, it's not apparent in the forums.

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post May 28 2012, 22:54
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ID3v2.3 is terrible...except for all of the current alternatives (borrowing heavily from Churchill's comment on democracy).

Thus, I like the recent changes to TXXX frames, since this is more consistent with ID3v2.3. JRiver has no problems I can see in dealing with TXXX frames with unique descriptions, regardless of how JRiver handles TXXX frames with duplicate descriptors. I only use about 6 different audio applications, but none seem to have difficulty in handling TXXX frames with unique descriptors, and I stopped trying to figure out how they handled TXXX frames with duplicate descriptors (since it varies and is thus complicated).

I also support deviations from and extensions to the ID3v2.3 spec where helpful to enhance compatibility with other popular programs, so I support how Foobar2000 handles TPE2, album artist and band. I don't care how TCON is handled, as long as what is decided is clearly documented. I hope at the end of the day the page http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...ID3_Tag_Mapping is enhanced to clarify exactly which frames handle multiple values (ID3v2.3 spec seems to only indicate TCOM, TOLY, and TOPE frames), and clearly indicate the characters users must enter to separate values, the character Foobar2000 displays to separate values, and the character written to files to separate values.

Lastly, however Foobar2000 deals with multiple mp3 tags with the same field name of "comment", or any user attempts at multivalue entries for comments, it would be helpful if the ID3 tag mapping wiki page had a note clarifying that as well.

Edit: Neotheone, I've not noticed any problems in my TYER tags that display in Foobar2000 as "Date", but I've only looked at this in passing - can you please describe in a much more detailed manner (with examples) what you observed that concerns you regarding year and date?

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post May 31 2012, 14:08
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QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 17:54) *
Edit: Neotheone, I've not noticed any problems in my TYER tags that display in Foobar2000 as "Date", but I've only looked at this in passing - can you please describe in a much more detailed manner (with examples) what you observed that concerns you regarding year and date?

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- BenB   1.1.12 ID3v2 changes - discussion   May 27 2012, 04:11
- - Peter   If you insist that this behavior is problematic fo...   May 27 2012, 07:37
|- - tagtypedisplay   I'm confused. Is f2k's implementation of R...   May 27 2012, 07:44
- - db1989   If you’d actually read the initial post, you’d kno...   May 27 2012, 12:50
|- - tagtypedisplay   QUOTE (db1989 @ May 27 2012, 13:50) If yo...   May 27 2012, 13:47
- - tpijag   Using the ReplayGain scanner writes to replaygain ...   May 27 2012, 13:53
- - Peter   PS I'd like to know: * How exactly you tag you...   May 28 2012, 08:50
- - neothe0ne   The thing that really annoyed me was that upgradin...   May 28 2012, 10:37
- - Mod-Ular   @Peter First had to do some research as i did not ...   May 28 2012, 10:41
|- - mrinferno   having the same issue myself with 1.1.12a. i didn...   May 28 2012, 15:33
|- - Mod-Ular   QUOTE (Mod-Ular @ May 28 2012, 11:41...   May 29 2012, 11:06
- - montyview   Apologies if hijacking thread, but I think this is...   May 28 2012, 18:35
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (mrinferno @ May 28 2012, 16:33) I ...   May 28 2012, 21:14
- - godrick   ID3v2.3 is terrible...except for all of the curren...   May 28 2012, 22:54
|- - wolfsong   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 15:54) I ho...   May 29 2012, 07:26
|- - neothe0ne   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 17:54) Edit...   May 31 2012, 14:08
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 23:54) Thus...   May 29 2012, 17:12
- - q-stankovic   As i didn't use multiple genres i decided to t...   May 30 2012, 22:16
- - godrick   q-stankovic, I share much of your frustration with...   May 31 2012, 01:15
- - Peter   Thanks for all your feedback. Regarding TPE2 Albu...   May 31 2012, 11:01
|- - MordredKLB   QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 05:01) Regard...   Jun 1 2012, 07:17
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 12:01) Regard...   May 31 2012, 19:00
- - kode54   id3lib does not enforce proper frame formatting, i...   Jun 2 2012, 01:33
- - MordredKLB   QUOTE (kode54 @ Jun 1 2012, 19:33) id3lib...   Jun 2 2012, 02:24

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