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post May 27 2012, 04:11
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FEATURE REQUEST: The ability to disable all metadata tagging within foobar

With the release of 1.1.12, the developers have seen fit to implement a new way of handling custom TXXX frames within foobar that borks them everywhere else. Frames with the same name are now renamed by appending [1],[2],[3], etc. which makes them essentially different tags and no longer able to be used as intended outside of foobar. (Maybe inside too, idk, I did a separate portable install of 1.1.12 to investigate beforehand. At least the changes were vaguely referenced in the changelog.)

Also, multiple TCON frames (genre) are now joined into one frame and separated by a "/" with no spaces. This isn't so bad if you don't already utilize forward slashes within your genres, but if you do, guess what...

Oh and using the replaygain scanner on your files will alter your tags and change them as mentioned above.

So, how about it developers? Will give give us the means to disable your ability to manipulate our files according to your whims? What you've done isn't part of the id3v2.3 standard. I've been trying to understand the tagging in foobar, but it's just impossible. On one hand there's this almost strict adherence to specifications no one else abides by, while on the other hand, there are deviations from the standard implemented that conflict with the other deviations other software/hardware developers have implemented. If foobar's tagging were a person, it'd be simultaneously OCD and schizotypal. I wish someone could explain the reasoning behind this change. Was there an angry mob clamoring for it? If so, it's not apparent in the forums.

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post May 31 2012, 11:01
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Thanks for all your feedback.

Regarding TPE2 Album Aritst vs Band:
This a regression in 1.1.12, thanks for the report.

Regarding multi-value TXXX again:
Maybe I'll just revert to the previous behavior since despite of being not strictly spec compliant it is less likely to cause trouble with other software.

Regarding mulit-value TCON:
I'm open to suggestions how to do this yet keep foobar2000 tagging compatible with apps that do not recognize multiple TCON frames (iTunes, WMP).
Semicolon as a separator sounds like a good starting point.

Some new "stable" version will be out within two weeks.
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post Jun 1 2012, 07:17
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QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 05:01) *
Regarding multi-value TXXX again:
Maybe I'll just revert to the previous behavior since despite of being not strictly spec compliant it is less likely to cause trouble with other software.
Can you explain exactly how multi-value TXXX worked in previous versions because I think I'm seeing something different than you and others have described.

I ran into this issue today using v1.1.10 trying to write a custom multi-value tag in both fb2k and a tagger I wrote myself which uses the compliant id3lib. It appears that when using 2.4 tags the frame is laid out like this: TXXX<DESCRIPTOR>First Value<NULL>Second Value<NULL>, and is not using multiple TXXX frames. Multiple TXXX frames with the same descriptor isn't compliant, but I think my tagging software could have handled it. What I was seeing was the id3lib frame parser encountering the first NULL and returning. If you actually are writing multiple TXXX frames with the same descriptor, then maybe id3lib is somehow concatenating them.

I couldn't figure out any workaround so I ended up having to re-appropriate the TDE3 (conductor frame) for my own purposes.

Also, I tried using TOLY which I thought would handle multiple values and is even less likely than TDE3 to be used, but apparently foobar doesn't understand ORIGLYRICIST or the TOLY frame. No matter what I tried I couldn't make foobar display the frame... hence having to use TDE3.
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- BenB   1.1.12 ID3v2 changes - discussion   May 27 2012, 04:11
- - Peter   If you insist that this behavior is problematic fo...   May 27 2012, 07:37
|- - tagtypedisplay   I'm confused. Is f2k's implementation of R...   May 27 2012, 07:44
- - db1989   If you’d actually read the initial post, you’d kno...   May 27 2012, 12:50
|- - tagtypedisplay   QUOTE (db1989 @ May 27 2012, 13:50) If yo...   May 27 2012, 13:47
- - tpijag   Using the ReplayGain scanner writes to replaygain ...   May 27 2012, 13:53
- - Peter   PS I'd like to know: * How exactly you tag you...   May 28 2012, 08:50
- - neothe0ne   The thing that really annoyed me was that upgradin...   May 28 2012, 10:37
- - Mod-Ular   @Peter First had to do some research as i did not ...   May 28 2012, 10:41
|- - mrinferno   having the same issue myself with 1.1.12a. i didn...   May 28 2012, 15:33
|- - Mod-Ular   QUOTE (Mod-Ular @ May 28 2012, 11:41...   May 29 2012, 11:06
- - montyview   Apologies if hijacking thread, but I think this is...   May 28 2012, 18:35
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (mrinferno @ May 28 2012, 16:33) I ...   May 28 2012, 21:14
- - godrick   ID3v2.3 is terrible...except for all of the curren...   May 28 2012, 22:54
|- - wolfsong   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 15:54) I ho...   May 29 2012, 07:26
|- - neothe0ne   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 17:54) Edit...   May 31 2012, 14:08
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 23:54) Thus...   May 29 2012, 17:12
- - q-stankovic   As i didn't use multiple genres i decided to t...   May 30 2012, 22:16
- - godrick   q-stankovic, I share much of your frustration with...   May 31 2012, 01:15
- - Peter   Thanks for all your feedback. Regarding TPE2 Albu...   May 31 2012, 11:01
|- - MordredKLB   QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 05:01) Regard...   Jun 1 2012, 07:17
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 12:01) Regard...   May 31 2012, 19:00
- - kode54   id3lib does not enforce proper frame formatting, i...   Jun 2 2012, 01:33
- - MordredKLB   QUOTE (kode54 @ Jun 1 2012, 19:33) id3lib...   Jun 2 2012, 02:24

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