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Pro-Ject Debut III USB Preamp Advice
Engelsstaub
post May 10 2012, 16:13
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I have the turntable mentioned in the title. I suppose it's no big news that the USB-out is sometimes too loud (no gain adjustment) with some vinyl (which results in clipping,) especially nearly every double-LP I own. Much to my dismay it also happens with a few regular ones like my mint original-pressing Black Sabbath "Mob Rules." For about 70% of my LPs it's fine, though "limited" to 16-bit resolution for recording.

My questions are these:

Would it be feasible to use something like the M-Audio Firewire Solo Amazon to record my needledrops from the preamp's RCA-outs to my Macintosh? (I'm using VinylStudio and it's pretty great IME.) If so, would I be able to effectively do so at 24-bit? (I don't imagine I hear any difference, but would like to do so for editing purposes.)

Any recommendations/good advice is greatly appreciated. (I wish I had researched this TT before I bought it. I'm considering trading it in later and getting a regular Debut III or something else in their line-up for under 800 USD...that's just not going to happen anytime really soon. I'm otherwise pleased with this TT's performance, so I wouldn't mind coming up with a good workaround. I get great results with many records and the hardware/software combingation.)

Pretty new to digitizing vinyl, so please forgive my ignorance.


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mixminus1
post May 11 2012, 03:42
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No, Andy's saying that the outputs of the internal preamp are clipping the inputs of the internal A/D converter inside the turntable. The RCA outs are the same analog outputs from the preamp - pre-A/D converter - and Andy's concern is that they may be so hot that they would still overdrive the inputs of an external A/D converter.

I'm not convinced this would be the case...it would have to be a VERY hot phono pre (which it still may be!). Since all we have to go on here is anecdotal evidence and experimentation, i.e. I'm assuming you don' t have a test record and oscilloscope just lying around wink.gif, what kind of Mac do you have? You've probably answered this before on the forum (and I may well have asked the question smile.gif ), but if it's a desktop model - iMac, mini, or Pro - you could try plugging the Pro-Ject's preamp outputs into the line in and seeing what kind of levels you get.

While my mini's input is a bit on the sensitive side, it's still a "reasonably" line-level input. Even if you have to pull the input level all the way down in the Sound control panel, if you're still getting clean sound and no clipping, I'd say you'd be good to go with any decent USB/FireWire audio interface - hell, you might just try capturing with your Mac's input!

If, however, you still get noticeable clipping, then there's a chance that an external interface might still be overdriven, as well.

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- Engelsstaub   Pro-Ject Debut III USB Preamp Advice   May 10 2012, 16:13
- - Apesbrain   Absolutely, so long as you run the TT line level o...   May 10 2012, 20:30
- - mixminus1   @Apesbrain: The OP's turntable has a preamp bu...   May 10 2012, 20:35
- - Engelsstaub   Thanks for the replies. Apesbrain: yeah, this part...   May 10 2012, 22:46
- - AndyH-ha   Clipping via the USB connection is caused by the a...   May 11 2012, 01:54
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ May 10 2012, 19:54...   May 11 2012, 03:09
- - mixminus1   No, Andy's saying that the outputs of the inte...   May 11 2012, 03:42
- - AndyH-ha   "it would have to be a VERY hot phono pre...   May 11 2012, 04:55
- - Engelsstaub   mixminus1: my Mac is a late 2010 13" MacBook ...   May 11 2012, 16:45
- - AndyH-ha   I can be of only limited help here but you should ...   May 11 2012, 20:53
- - AndyH-ha   The possibility also exist that you might not have...   May 11 2012, 20:59
- - Apesbrain   @OP, I now understand and I'm sorry for the mi...   May 11 2012, 21:06
- - Engelsstaub   Well, I do have a RCA-to1/8" cable that I use...   May 12 2012, 02:28
- - AndyH-ha   "I adjusted the volume to max out at around 9...   May 12 2012, 03:18
- - Engelsstaub   Nah, I had it turned all the way up on the Mac...   May 12 2012, 04:09
- - AndyH-ha   It seems rather strange that a recording applicati...   May 12 2012, 06:55
- - punkrockdude   What cartridge is it on the turntable? Just asking...   May 12 2012, 14:39
- - Engelsstaub   punkrockdude: it's the stock Ortofon OM5e that...   May 12 2012, 14:57
- - AndyH-ha   QUOTE I'm gathering from everything you've...   May 12 2012, 20:52
- - Engelsstaub   Alright. Thanks for your reply and your patience, ...   May 12 2012, 21:39
- - AndyH-ha   Have you determined that you get clipping using yo...   May 12 2012, 23:16
- - Engelsstaub   Yes, this and a few other records seem to clip in ...   May 13 2012, 00:18
- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ May 10 2012, 11:13) ...   May 14 2012, 12:59
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 14 2012, 06...   May 14 2012, 15:18
- - dhromed   QUOTE Audacity has a clipping indicator. I'm w...   May 14 2012, 15:33
- - Engelsstaub   Oh, ok, Thanks, dhromed. I think I understand how...   May 14 2012, 16:27
- - AndyH-ha   If you were looking at music that had been mastere...   May 15 2012, 03:18
- - Engelsstaub   Hey, AndyH (or anybody else reading) ...as long as...   May 15 2012, 18:05
- - AndyH-ha   According to the manufacturer's literature, th...   May 15 2012, 21:36
- - Engelsstaub   Great. Thanks for your help, Andy (and also everyo...   May 16 2012, 01:19


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