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Bartholomew MacG...
post Apr 27 2012, 16:52
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Has there ever been a documented case of a recording sounding worse on quality home speakers because the studio monitors used to make the recording where of lower quality?
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RonaldDumsfeld
post May 2 2012, 15:24
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Thanks to Ethan for going to the trouble to post the stats for popular monitors. very interesting.

So it seems that studio monitors in general have a tendency to have a small dip at just those frequencies that the human ear is most sensitive too. A bit like the old 'loudness control' we used to have on hi-fi amplifiers. I'm surprised to learn this. It is contrary to my own (untutored) expectations. Hi Fi buffs tend to dismiss genuine monitors for home listening because they sound 'fatiguing' and sharp. Also lacking bass.

So it would be interesting to have similar stats for popular brands of hi-fi speakers. The view here seems to be that they would have a flatter response curve but I'm not at all sure they would. I'd expect (with no real evidence I must admit) hi fi brands to have an even deeper mid/high dip and a slight boost at either end.

To turn the OP's question on it's head I have plenty of examples of monitors sounding worse than hi-fi. Going from 8Ts speakers Mourdant Short Pageant 2, lumpy bass, smooth mids, 9Ts speakers TDL RTL 3, shrill tops, smooth lows) to 0Ts monitors, ADAM AX. I initially found the change challenging. Many old recordings I had previously found perfectly acceptable (e.g. old less than pristine vinyl, live tape recordings etc) became painful to listen too, thin and fuzzy.

p.s. I'm aware I've expressed some opinions here not supported by facts as per HA TOS. I'm hoping the nature of the discussion allows this but if not then please feel free to delete this post and accept an apolgy.
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honestguv
post May 2 2012, 16:33
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QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ May 2 2012, 15:24) *
So it seems that studio monitors in general have a tendency to have a small dip at just those frequencies that the human ear is most sensitive too. A bit like the old 'loudness control' we used to have on hi-fi amplifiers. I'm surprised to learn this. It is contrary to my own (untutored) expectations.

Yes it is interesting but I would suggest a bit of caution about drawing general conclusions from a particular set of measurements without their supporting discussion. It is straightforward for the major monitor manufacturers to make speakers with reasonably flat on axis responses and most of them both claim that they do and produce on axis measurements in support of the claim.
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post May 2 2012, 22:38
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QUOTE (honestguv @ May 2 2012, 17:33) *
I would suggest a bit of caution about drawing general conclusions from a particular set of measurements without their supporting discussion. It is straightforward for the major monitor manufacturers to make speakers with reasonably flat on axis responses and most of them both claim that they do and produce on axis measurements in support of the claim.
I second that. If these measurements are valid, and at the same time different from those made in anechoic chambers, it would be interesting to find out why.
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The problem with anechoic chambers is they are anechoic only down to 100 Hz, or maybe 80 Hz if it's a really good one.
This might explain different results under 100 Hz, but not why the rather huge dips are not found in traditional measurements.
It would be nice if Ethan could give some more info about the test.
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- Bartholomew MacGruber   studio monitors and quality of home speakers   Apr 27 2012, 16:52
- - mixminus1   Define "worse". For years, one of the s...   Apr 27 2012, 17:49
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Apr 27 2012, 17:49) De...   Apr 30 2012, 06:18
|- - DVDdoug   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 29 2012, 2...   Apr 30 2012, 18:52
- - Ethan Winer   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1...   Apr 27 2012, 18:23
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 27 2012, 18:23) ...   Apr 30 2012, 06:22
|- - tnargs   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 02:53) ...   Oct 23 2012, 02:10
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (tnargs @ Oct 22 2012, 21:10) QUOTE...   Oct 23 2012, 20:28
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE the trend to market "pleasing sounding...   Apr 27 2012, 21:16
|- - Ethan Winer   Yes, plenty of examples. Some years back, a fellow...   Apr 28 2012, 17:02
|- - honestguv   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 18:02) ...   Apr 28 2012, 20:15
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (honestguv @ Apr 28 2012, 15:15) QU...   Apr 29 2012, 17:51
|- - markanini   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 17:02) ...   Apr 30 2012, 15:01
|- - tnargs   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 29 2012, 01:32) ...   Oct 23 2012, 01:56
- - tomtomthomson   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1...   Apr 30 2012, 03:22
- - Typhoon859   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 30 2012, 0...   Apr 30 2012, 08:18
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   OK, I can't remember all the places that I rea...   Apr 30 2012, 08:44
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 30 2012, 0...   Apr 30 2012, 14:29
||- - seditious3   QUOTE I also seem to remember stuff about recordin...   Oct 22 2012, 17:53
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Typhoon859 @ Apr 30 2012, 03:18) Q...   Apr 30 2012, 14:25
- - AudioKitten   Maybe this is mostly a problem with amateur master...   May 1 2012, 16:25
- - Bartholomew MacGruber   I don't know if it's ever been done before...   May 2 2012, 04:52
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ May 1 2012, 23...   May 8 2012, 13:32
|- - ktf   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 8 2012, 14...   May 8 2012, 16:03
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (ktf @ May 8 2012, 11:03) QUOTE (Ar...   May 9 2012, 14:24
|- - ktf   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 9 2012, 15...   May 9 2012, 14:38
- - _if   If you took a set of any of the good monitors (rea...   May 2 2012, 07:12
|- - stephan_g   QUOTE (_if @ May 2 2012, 07:12) If you to...   May 2 2012, 09:36
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   QUOTE (_if @ May 2 2012, 07:12) If you to...   May 2 2012, 09:37
- - icstm   is that type of EQ adjustment was audacity type sy...   May 2 2012, 13:19
- - RonaldDumsfeld   Thanks to Ethan for going to the trouble to post t...   May 2 2012, 15:24
|- - honestguv   QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ May 2 2012, 15:24...   May 2 2012, 16:33
|- - Kees de Visser   QUOTE (honestguv @ May 2 2012, 17:33) I w...   May 2 2012, 22:38
|- - Thasp   QUOTE (honestguv @ May 2 2012, 08:33) QUO...   May 12 2012, 05:51
- - RonaldDumsfeld   To be fair Ethan did quote the test methodology. S...   May 2 2012, 18:16
- - RobWansbeck   The dips could be the result of phase cancellation...   May 5 2012, 22:45
- - krabapple   Isn't most studio monitoring on these speakers...   May 9 2012, 16:38
- - markanini   Yeah, the equilateral triangle, each side 3-6 feet...   May 10 2012, 15:18
- - lanayapiper   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1...   Oct 12 2012, 13:13
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (lanayapiper @ Oct 12 2012, 08:13) ...   Oct 15 2012, 14:50
- - tnargs   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 29 2012, 01:32) ...   Oct 23 2012, 01:36
- - markanini   What are Doug Sax and Rob Ludwig using?   Oct 23 2012, 20:45


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