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post Apr 27 2012, 16:52
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Has there ever been a documented case of a recording sounding worse on quality home speakers because the studio monitors used to make the recording where of lower quality?
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post May 2 2012, 04:52
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I don't know if it's ever been done before, but it would be interesting to see if they've ever tried to use perfectly accurate studio monitors and then just have various applications that can mimic the performance of cheaper speakers to try to get the best overall performance as possible on a variety of speakers. I imagine a lot of that could be done with just EQ, I don't know about all the different forms of distortion and other inaccuracies.

They have digital room correction for home systems, so it would be interesting to see if they could create something similar for studios to simulate "bad" rooms and make the recording less vulnerable to sounding bad in certain rooms.

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post May 8 2012, 13:32
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QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ May 1 2012, 23:52) *
I don't know if it's ever been done before, but it would be interesting to see if they've ever tried to use perfectly accurate studio monitors and then just have various applications that can mimic the performance of cheaper speakers to try to get the best overall performance as possible on a variety of speakers.


First problem - finding perfectly accurate studio monitors. Hens teeth!

Second problem - finding reliable eq packages that would make them sound like other real world bad speakers.



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post May 8 2012, 16:03
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QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 8 2012, 14:32) *
Second problem - finding reliable eq packages that would make them sound like other real world bad speakers.


I don't think thats very hard: measure the impulse response of the speakers (probably in a room that fits the kind of equipment) and use convolution to emulate the speaker. You could try to counter your non-perfect monitor problem by deconvolution as well. Probably the result won't be perfect (as deconvolution certainly wont give perfect results), but thats not the objective. If it emulates well, which of course has to be tested, the problem is solved. In the mastering stage, the time delay of convolution/deconvoltion won't be a problem too.

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QUOTE (ktf @ May 8 2012, 11:03) *
QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 8 2012, 14:32) *
Second problem - finding reliable eq packages that would make them sound like other real world bad speakers.


I don't think thats very hard: measure the impulse response of the speakers (probably in a room that fits the kind of equipment) and use convolution to emulate the speaker.


I guess you don't know that the world is full of people who took an introductory DSP class or something like it and hit on the same idea.

The more motivated went into the lab and actually tried it. Reality struck! The few that actually stuck with it for a number of years, were smart enough to overcome the practical problems, got funding so they could still eat while fooling around for years with no commercial results, and were lucky; produced products and built a company around them. Say, Audessy.
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QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 9 2012, 15:24) *
... produced products and built a company around them. Say, Audessy.


I wasn't talking about fighting acoustics, (that's what Audyssey seems to do) which is of course pretty much impossible. "Adding" coloration and slew to a much better system is something different entirely.

Why would anyone have tried to make a set sound worse actually, besides from this application? Convolution (for reverb, for instance) is already used, why wouldn't it work for speakers?

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|- - ktf   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 8 2012, 14...   May 8 2012, 16:03
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