IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

studio monitors and quality of home speakers
Bartholomew MacG...
post Apr 27 2012, 16:52
Post #1





Group: Members
Posts: 21
Joined: 9-February 12
Member No.: 97028



Has there ever been a documented case of a recording sounding worse on quality home speakers because the studio monitors used to make the recording where of lower quality?
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Start new topic
Replies
RonaldDumsfeld
post Apr 27 2012, 21:16
Post #2





Group: Members
Posts: 336
Joined: 12-June 09
Member No.: 70617



QUOTE
the trend to market "pleasing sounding" speakers to pro mix engineers.


not to start a row or anything mate but I don't recognise that as a trend myself.

Do you have any examples?
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Ethan Winer
post Apr 28 2012, 17:02
Post #3





Group: Members
Posts: 248
Joined: 12-May 09
From: New Milford, CT
Member No.: 69730



Yes, plenty of examples. Some years back, a fellow named David French measured the response of ten popular monitor speakers. I've tried to reach him for permission to post his graphs on my own site because they are so incredibly telling. Without his permission I can't post the actual graphs, but I can tell you what they show. There's also Appendix 2 in the book Recording Studio Design by Philip Newell that shows the response of many popular studio speakers. But those graphs are so small it's difficult to see the detail.

Anyway, David measured ten speakers using a technique that's even better than an anechoic chamber. The problem with anechoic chambers is they are anechoic only down to 100 Hz, or maybe 80 Hz if it's a really good one. What David did was fly all ten speakers high up over the stage in a huge auditorium. By keeping the speakers 40 feet from all boundaries, a technique known as gating can be used to avoid the effects of all reflections down to a very low frequency. I've seen a photo of the test setup and it was valid. The graphs were made using the ETF software.

The speakers tested were Tannoy 800A, Genelec 1031A, Event Studio Precision 8, Dynaudio BM15A, Mackie HR824, Alesis M1 Active MkII, M&K S-150PK THX Ultra, Yamaha NS10, ADAM S2A, and Event TR8. In order:
    The Tannoy was reasonably flat from 60 Hz to 14 KHz, with a broad 3dB dip centered around 4 KHz.

    The Genelec was reasonably flat from 60 Hz to 20 KHz with a broad 4 dB dip centered around 4 KHz.

    The Event was a little bumpier between 60 Hz and 20 KHz with a narrow 4 dB dip at 400 Hz and a broad 4 dB dip between 4 and 6 KHz.

    The Dynaudio was pretty terrible having a narrow 9 dB dip at 3.5 KHz and a sharp rolloff above 8 KHz.

    The Mackie was by far the smoothest of the lot being flat within 3 dB (total span, not +/-) from 60 Hz to 20 KHz, with a broad 2 dB dip between 1.6 and 4 KHz.

    The Alesis response went out to 18 KHz but had a narrow 5 dB peak centered at 60 Hz.

    The M&K fell off sharply below 100 Hz, with narrow dips of 3 and 4 dB at 3 KHz and 6 KHz respectively, and a narrow boost at 12 KHz.

    The NS10 was as expected with very little bass below 120 Hz, a narrow 4 dB boost at 1.6 KHz, another narrow peak at 12 KHz, and a sharp fall-off above 12 KHz.

    The Adam was pretty lumpy with a steep LF roll-off starting at 80 Hz, a broad 3 dB boost at 1 KHz, a broad 6 dB scoop centered at 4 KHz, and then was flat to 20 KHz.

    The Event was similarly lumpy, but with a 9 dB narrow dip at 4 KHz, a narrow peak at 13 KHz, and a sharp roll-off above that.

--Ethan


--------------------
I believe in Truth, Justice, and the Scientific Method
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
honestguv
post Apr 28 2012, 20:15
Post #4





Group: Members
Posts: 257
Joined: 10-August 07
Member No.: 46091



QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 18:02) *
...SNIP...

Are you aware of data from other sources that support or contradict these measurements of a dip?

This post has been edited by honestguv: Apr 28 2012, 20:16
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
- Bartholomew MacGruber   studio monitors and quality of home speakers   Apr 27 2012, 16:52
- - mixminus1   Define "worse". For years, one of the s...   Apr 27 2012, 17:49
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Apr 27 2012, 17:49) De...   Apr 30 2012, 06:18
|- - DVDdoug   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 29 2012, 2...   Apr 30 2012, 18:52
- - Ethan Winer   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1...   Apr 27 2012, 18:23
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 27 2012, 18:23) ...   Apr 30 2012, 06:22
|- - tnargs   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 02:53) ...   Oct 23 2012, 02:10
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (tnargs @ Oct 22 2012, 21:10) QUOTE...   Oct 23 2012, 20:28
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE the trend to market "pleasing sounding...   Apr 27 2012, 21:16
|- - Ethan Winer   Yes, plenty of examples. Some years back, a fellow...   Apr 28 2012, 17:02
|- - honestguv   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 18:02) ...   Apr 28 2012, 20:15
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (honestguv @ Apr 28 2012, 15:15) QU...   Apr 29 2012, 17:51
|- - markanini   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 17:02) ...   Apr 30 2012, 15:01
|- - tnargs   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 29 2012, 01:32) ...   Oct 23 2012, 01:56
- - tomtomthomson   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1...   Apr 30 2012, 03:22
- - Typhoon859   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 30 2012, 0...   Apr 30 2012, 08:18
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   OK, I can't remember all the places that I rea...   Apr 30 2012, 08:44
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 30 2012, 0...   Apr 30 2012, 14:29
||- - seditious3   QUOTE I also seem to remember stuff about recordin...   Oct 22 2012, 17:53
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Typhoon859 @ Apr 30 2012, 03:18) Q...   Apr 30 2012, 14:25
- - AudioKitten   Maybe this is mostly a problem with amateur master...   May 1 2012, 16:25
- - Bartholomew MacGruber   I don't know if it's ever been done before...   May 2 2012, 04:52
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ May 1 2012, 23...   May 8 2012, 13:32
|- - ktf   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 8 2012, 14...   May 8 2012, 16:03
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (ktf @ May 8 2012, 11:03) QUOTE (Ar...   May 9 2012, 14:24
|- - ktf   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 9 2012, 15...   May 9 2012, 14:38
- - _if   If you took a set of any of the good monitors (rea...   May 2 2012, 07:12
|- - stephan_g   QUOTE (_if @ May 2 2012, 07:12) If you to...   May 2 2012, 09:36
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   QUOTE (_if @ May 2 2012, 07:12) If you to...   May 2 2012, 09:37
- - icstm   is that type of EQ adjustment was audacity type sy...   May 2 2012, 13:19
- - RonaldDumsfeld   Thanks to Ethan for going to the trouble to post t...   May 2 2012, 15:24
|- - honestguv   QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ May 2 2012, 15:24...   May 2 2012, 16:33
|- - Kees de Visser   QUOTE (honestguv @ May 2 2012, 17:33) I w...   May 2 2012, 22:38
|- - Thasp   QUOTE (honestguv @ May 2 2012, 08:33) QUO...   May 12 2012, 05:51
- - RonaldDumsfeld   To be fair Ethan did quote the test methodology. S...   May 2 2012, 18:16
- - RobWansbeck   The dips could be the result of phase cancellation...   May 5 2012, 22:45
- - krabapple   Isn't most studio monitoring on these speakers...   May 9 2012, 16:38
- - markanini   Yeah, the equilateral triangle, each side 3-6 feet...   May 10 2012, 15:18
- - lanayapiper   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1...   Oct 12 2012, 13:13
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (lanayapiper @ Oct 12 2012, 08:13) ...   Oct 15 2012, 14:50
- - tnargs   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 29 2012, 01:32) ...   Oct 23 2012, 01:36
- - markanini   What are Doug Sax and Rob Ludwig using?   Oct 23 2012, 20:45


Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 23rd October 2014 - 14:20