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RMAA results for iPod Classic, Galaxy Nexus, FiiO E7
skamp
post Apr 26 2012, 20:58
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Here are the RMAA results for the iPod Classic (2009), the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, and the FiiO E7. The iPod was tested via it's Line Out Dock, as well as its headphone out, unloaded, and loaded with Sony MDR-XB700 headphones (24 ohms). The Galaxy Nexus and E7 were tested via their headphone out, loaded and unloaded. Here's a comparison between the 3, loaded with the headphones.

Audiophiles always say that the iPod's LOD outputs a "cleaner" signal than its headphone out; if I'm reading the values and graphs right, that seems correct. I couldn't say whether the difference is audible; one would have to also test the external headphone amplifier that would be connected to the LOD.

Overall the E7 seems superior, while the iPod is a pretty close second in some aspects, especially if you consider the LOD results. Of note is the significantly worse stereo crosstalk result from the Galaxy Nexus.

Edit: I used an old laptop for the recordings. I'm considering investing in a decent USB device. If I do get one, I'll run RMAA again.

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post Dec 10 2012, 14:58
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I followed these instructions and I measured the output impedance of the O2 at 0.5Ω, the Clip+ at 0.5Ω, the iPod Classic at 5Ω, the Galaxy Nexus at 12Ω, the EMU 0204 USB at 23Ω and my laptop at 71Ω.


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post Dec 14 2012, 11:05
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This thread is really interesting for me.

As a user of an iPod Classic 7G (MC297LL) bought in New York back in 2009 now it's being about time to think about the battery. Being in Europe at this time if i go the Apple route they will provide me with new iPod (EU capped). If i go my way i will have to open the iPod and risk the whole unit working condition.

Since i only listen thru multidriver balanced armatures (Westone UM3x and Shure SE420) when i want to do critical listenings i always amp the line out with an iBasso T3 (To get rid of the 5ohms of output impedance of the hp out).

Hence my main concern would be if the line out port is capped. It does not seem likely judging from the rmaa.

My secondary concern would be if from a subjetive point of view is there any QUALITY difference that is audible in the output of the stock 7G versus the Rockboxed 7g.

Since the Westone UM3x are really sensitive i don't think the volume cap will affect me even with soft recordings. And the SE420 at high volumes are not enjoyable from the hp out because the output impedance brings more forward the "already mid forwarded" sound of the SE420 transducers. But if quality is worse then i might go the risky DIY route to replace the battery.

BTW your last iPod Classic loaded RMAA was made with the unit running stock OS or Rockboxed?

Thanks a lot for all your work Skamp. Really appreciated.

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post Dec 14 2012, 18:03
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QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 11:05) *
Hence my main concern would be if the line out port is capped. It does not seem likely judging from the rmaa.


My former measurements indicate that it is not.

QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 11:05) *
My secondary concern would be if from a subjetive point of view is there any QUALITY difference that is audible in the output of the stock 7G versus the Rockboxed 7g.


There is none, except for a proper EQ with Rockbox, as opposed to EQ presets on the original firmware, that sometimes induce heavy clipping.

QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 11:05) *
BTW your last iPod Classic loaded RMAA was made with the unit running stock OS or Rockboxed?


Rockboxed.


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QUOTE (skamp @ Dec 14 2012, 18:03) *
QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 11:05) *
Hence my main concern would be if the line out port is capped. It does not seem likely judging from the rmaa.


My former measurements indicate that it is not.

QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 11:05) *
My secondary concern would be if from a subjetive point of view is there any QUALITY difference that is audible in the output of the stock 7G versus the Rockboxed 7g.


There is none, except for a proper EQ with Rockbox, as opposed to EQ presets on the original firmware, that sometimes induce heavy clipping.

QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 11:05) *
BTW your last iPod Classic loaded RMAA was made with the unit running stock OS or Rockboxed?


Rockboxed.


Thanks a lot for all the input. I guess i could live quite well with a capped unit.

If you find the time to measure with the current gear the stock output it would be the ice on the cake.

And in any event thanks a lot and merry xmas!
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QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 20:05) *
Thanks a lot for all the input. I guess i could live quite well with a capped unit.


To be clear, Rockbox removes the volume limit.

QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 20:05) *
If you find the time to measure with the current gear the stock output it would be the ice on the cake.


I will if I ever switch back to the original firmware again. The only difference is probably just ~6 dB less dynamic range.


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- skamp   RMAA results for iPod Classic, Galaxy Nexus, FiiO E7   Apr 26 2012, 20:58
- - saratoga   You said in the other thread that you've got t...   Apr 26 2012, 21:29
- - skamp   The volume cap can't be removed. How does the ...   Apr 26 2012, 21:37
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (skamp @ Apr 26 2012, 16:37) The vo...   Apr 26 2012, 21:52
- - skamp   Thanks. I guess I'll just suck it up and buy a...   Apr 26 2012, 22:16
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|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (skamp @ Apr 27 2012, 04:41) Well, ...   Apr 27 2012, 12:16
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- - saratoga   Could you put those galaxy nexus results back up? ...   Apr 30 2012, 17:06
- - skamp   I deleted the old results, there were obviously of...   Apr 30 2012, 19:00
- - saratoga   What happened with the frequency response on the G...   Apr 30 2012, 19:02
- - skamp   The GN always had a slight treble roll-off. I test...   Apr 30 2012, 19:09
- - saratoga   You must be right. I'm probably confusing thi...   Apr 30 2012, 19:40
- - skamp   Results with Denon AH-D1100 headphones (32 ohms) a...   Apr 30 2012, 20:59
- - skamp   I installed Rockbox on my iPod last night. I updat...   May 2 2012, 11:21
- - nevermind   Those measurements look a bit strange for the ipod...   May 4 2012, 03:44
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (nevermind @ May 3 2012, 22:44) Tho...   May 8 2012, 13:39
- - skamp   All tests were run on battery. Note that the lobes...   May 4 2012, 10:12
- - stephan_g   These lobes seem to be an artifact introduced by R...   May 5 2012, 12:51
- - skamp   I got an EMU 0204 USB and made new measurements. I...   Dec 7 2012, 09:46
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (skamp @ Dec 7 2012, 03:46) I got a...   Dec 7 2012, 15:05
- - skamp   On second thought, I'm not sure my stereo spli...   Dec 8 2012, 23:10
- - saratoga   Crosstalk depends on current, so if you drive a hi...   Dec 8 2012, 23:33
- - IgorC   Skamp, Interesting measurements. I'm very sur...   Dec 9 2012, 04:30
- - skamp   Well, the EMU shows a 0.5 dB bump at 30 Hz, but th...   Dec 9 2012, 11:51
- - skamp   I followed these instructions and I measured the o...   Dec 10 2012, 14:58
|- - elfary   This thread is really interesting for me. As a us...   Dec 14 2012, 11:05
|- - skamp   QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 11:05) Hence...   Dec 14 2012, 18:03
|- - elfary   QUOTE (skamp @ Dec 14 2012, 18:03) QUOTE ...   Dec 14 2012, 20:05
|- - skamp   QUOTE (elfary @ Dec 14 2012, 20:05) Thank...   Dec 15 2012, 11:05
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