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Vinyl is equivalent to which digital bit-depth and sampling rate?
KMD
post Mar 13 2012, 12:49
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What sample rate and bit depth , dithered, would create a digital recording with the same bandwidth and signal to noise ratio as vinyl
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post Mar 13 2012, 16:01
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listening tests at super high quality are hard to perform and the target differences are minute and thus lead to argument and uncertanty. But if the 8bit dithered file and the 16 bit file with analogue noise added have a different quality to the listener then it follows that a signal to noise based analysis alone to define the optimim quality of digital is not sufficient. It would be informative to both sides of the discussion. Then go to 4 Bits dithered. At some point a particular quality of the digital file will or will not be revealed. If it exists at low quality then it follows that it exists at high quality and if not why not.
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post Mar 21 2012, 11:29
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QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 11:01) *
listening tests at super high quality are hard to perform and the target differences are minute and thus lead to argument and uncertanty.


I would take that difficulty and uncertainty as a message from Mother Nature: There is very little here to hear.

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But if the 8bit dithered file and the 16 bit file with analogue noise added have a different quality to the listener


Which is like saying that since battery acid and soda pop are both acid... The error here is excluding both the middle and also the fact that we are comparing extreme opposite ends of a spectrum of stimuli.

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then it follows that a signal to noise based analysis alone to define the optimum quality of digital is not sufficient.


That's a truism because SNR does not include the effects of linear and nonlinear distortion.

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It would be informative to both sides of the discussion.


This sort of thing is only informative to people who haven't done their homework.

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Then go to 4 Bits dithered.


That's a non sequitor and it is also just plain nuts.

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At some point a particular quality of the digital file will or will not be revealed.


Yet another trivial truism.

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If it exists at low quality then it follows that it exists at high quality and if not why not.


You seem to need education on the concept of the law of diminishing returns and the facts of the thresholds of reliable human perception. You want links to help you get started on your homework, or what?
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- KMD   Vinyl is equivalent to which digital bit-depth and sampling rate?   Mar 13 2012, 12:49
- - dhromed   Somewhat below Redbook.   Mar 13 2012, 12:57
- - Kees de Visser   This old thread gives some answers: http://www.hyd...   Mar 13 2012, 13:32
- - KMD   Ok so I'm getting 44Khz 12 Bit from there. Pe...   Mar 13 2012, 13:50
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 12:50) Ok so I...   Mar 13 2012, 14:40
- - pdq   There was a listening test here a few years back. ...   Mar 13 2012, 14:14
- - KMD   The question is do very low signal to noise rati...   Mar 13 2012, 14:49
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 13:49) The ques...   Mar 13 2012, 15:15
- - KMD   If people think vinyl LP sounds better than 12 Bit...   Mar 13 2012, 15:26
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 14:26) If peopl...   Mar 13 2012, 15:39
- - John_Siau   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 06:49) What sam...   Mar 13 2012, 15:41
- - KMD   listening tests at super high quality are hard to ...   Mar 13 2012, 16:01
|- - Rotareneg   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 09:01) If it ex...   Mar 13 2012, 17:34
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 10:01) listenin...   Mar 13 2012, 19:50
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 11:01) listenin...   Mar 21 2012, 11:29
- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 07:49) What sam...   Mar 21 2012, 11:43
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Mar 21 2012, 11...   Mar 22 2012, 15:49
|- - pdq   QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 22 2012, 10:49) QUOTE...   Mar 22 2012, 16:01
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 22 2012, 10:49) QUOTE...   Mar 22 2012, 20:44
|- - Glenn Gundlach   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Mar 22 2012, 11...   Mar 23 2012, 04:29
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (Glenn Gundlach @ Mar 22 2012, 20:2...   Mar 23 2012, 11:48
|- - DonP   QUOTE (Glenn Gundlach @ Mar 22 2012, 23:2...   Mar 24 2012, 13:26
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