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Vinyl is equivalent to which digital bit-depth and sampling rate?
KMD
post Mar 13 2012, 12:49
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What sample rate and bit depth , dithered, would create a digital recording with the same bandwidth and signal to noise ratio as vinyl
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post Mar 13 2012, 13:50
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Ok so I'm getting 44Khz 12 Bit from there. People are happy listening to Vinyl but would they be happy listenning to 44/12Bit Digital ? This is relevant to the formats discussion. Would anyone like to convert a CD to 44/12 dithered so people on the forum can hear what it sounds like.
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QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 12:50) *
Ok so I'm getting 44Khz 12 Bit from there. People are happy listening to Vinyl but would they be happy listenning to 44/12Bit Digital ? This is relevant to the formats discussion. Would anyone like to convert a CD to 44/12 dithered so people on the forum can hear what it sounds like.
People have been listening to 32kHz 14-bits companded to 10-bits throughout the UK and much of Europe for years...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NICAM

lossyWAV often keeps less than 12-bits, without audible degradation...
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LossyWAV

That thread linked by Kees de Visser almost has it nailed. You'd need some weird pre/de-emphasis and maybe companding or noise shaping to make the digital as bad as vinyl at the frequency extremes. Even then, the digital would still be distortion-free (unless you clip).

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- KMD   Vinyl is equivalent to which digital bit-depth and sampling rate?   Mar 13 2012, 12:49
- - dhromed   Somewhat below Redbook.   Mar 13 2012, 12:57
- - Kees de Visser   This old thread gives some answers: http://www.hyd...   Mar 13 2012, 13:32
- - KMD   Ok so I'm getting 44Khz 12 Bit from there. Pe...   Mar 13 2012, 13:50
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 12:50) Ok so I...   Mar 13 2012, 14:40
- - pdq   There was a listening test here a few years back. ...   Mar 13 2012, 14:14
- - KMD   The question is do very low signal to noise rati...   Mar 13 2012, 14:49
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 13:49) The ques...   Mar 13 2012, 15:15
- - KMD   If people think vinyl LP sounds better than 12 Bit...   Mar 13 2012, 15:26
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 14:26) If peopl...   Mar 13 2012, 15:39
- - John_Siau   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 06:49) What sam...   Mar 13 2012, 15:41
- - KMD   listening tests at super high quality are hard to ...   Mar 13 2012, 16:01
|- - Rotareneg   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 09:01) If it ex...   Mar 13 2012, 17:34
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 10:01) listenin...   Mar 13 2012, 19:50
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 11:01) listenin...   Mar 21 2012, 11:29
- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 07:49) What sam...   Mar 21 2012, 11:43
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