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squallkiercosa
post Mar 10 2012, 16:25
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Why I am not interested in buying cds anymore?

Dear all of you:


I’ve been looking (for long) for a good reason, an explanation to my behavior. I've often felt guilty about not buying the albums of bands I absolutely love. There is no use for the physical albums in my opinion, I already have good quality downloads and never plays cd's anyway, only mp3's.

First, I think I should start with a background:
I am 26 right now; I lived in Russia, Venezuela, France and nowadays in Switzerland. I moved often, so moving discs all the time were not an option when it comes to travel.

My dad and my brother are audiophiles, both have tons of music (each with a particular style) I grew up seeing them buying music all the time. Fortunately for me, it never bothered me, perhaps classical music Saturday early in the morning… but, even when I did not want to listen it, it was never a problem.
I had some friends mixing records (they keep doing it) I learned the difference between house, D&B, acid with them. I tried to mix too, but I found myself playing the same records over and over again.

I must admit I am guilty of downloading. When I discovered Internet, I was a naive young innocent. I was downloading to find interesting stuffs. Whenever I liked something, I would go to the shop and buy the CD. Now, it’s convenient to get a song of the net. It is simple and fast. I rarely buy new CDs anymore, and only to convert it to mp3 and then give it to someone else like a gift.

People are not spending in music like before I guess. I ask every time the same question: how often do you buy music these days. Maybe they are spending their money on video games, computers or expensive mobile phones instead. Apparently it seems to be more important the device than music itself.
Also, there is so much music flooding the market; Is really people mad because of the industry and that they don't want to buy music anymore?

I am already used to get the music so easily, no regrets (when it comes to popular music), I don’t feel I am stealing for anyone if I download bad music and end up erasing it later.

If I grew up listening and buying records and I am not motivated to buy it anymore. What is it going to happen with the future generation?


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P.S. Changing the subject:
I am also tired of lossless and lossy formats; the difference is not so noticeable with all the styles. So is it worth it to save some music in lossless and others in lossy? Nope.
I was struggling to convert my music to lossless, then I realized it was much easier to find all my music already converted to Flac online, and that’s what I did. I stopped for convenience and frustration, finding the codecs to make lossless work with my iPod, my cellphone, my notebook senseless.
Nowadays I keep my music in mp3 for commodity
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probedb
post Mar 11 2012, 12:02
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You are just trying to justify what you do yourself by seeing if anyone else agrees. If you don't pay for an artists work, either directly to them or via labels etc, then what incentive do they have to continue creating and releasing music? Those whose sole profession is that music are left penniless.
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post Mar 11 2012, 13:19
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QUOTE (probedb @ Mar 11 2012, 12:02) *
You are just trying to justify what you do yourself by seeing if anyone else agrees. If you don't pay for an artists work, either directly to them or via labels etc, then what incentive do they have to continue creating and releasing music? Those whose sole profession is that music are left penniless.


This is certainly an interesting opinion, but if I understood you correctly you're basically saying that copyright infringement is fine as long as he only downloads old music.

We could sketch two scenarios: one for retired and dead artists or split-up bands, another for still active artists and bands in relation to their old works. In the first case illegal downloading would be fully permitted, but in the second we’d have to first determine what constituted an “old work”, for only these would be available for illegal download. What could we suggest? 2 years after the original release? 5? 10? How about 70 years after the artist’s death?

It seems to me that this argument just doesn’t work. If our purpose were just to keep artists working, we'd be much better off returning to the patronage system. How about we just do what we do elsewhere and suggest that people should follow the law or else they will get punished? Well, that would be fine, except in this case they don’t get punished.

All I can say to the hordes of starving artists out there is: if you’re unhappy with your job, quit and find another.
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post Mar 12 2012, 09:51
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QUOTE (Redark @ Mar 11 2012, 12:19) *
QUOTE (probedb @ Mar 11 2012, 12:02) *
You are just trying to justify what you do yourself by seeing if anyone else agrees. If you don't pay for an artists work, either directly to them or via labels etc, then what incentive do they have to continue creating and releasing music? Those whose sole profession is that music are left penniless.


This is certainly an interesting opinion, but if I understood you correctly you're basically saying that copyright infringement is fine as long as he only downloads old music.


Erm no, where exactly do I say it's fine copying old music?
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post Mar 12 2012, 11:47
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QUOTE (probedb @ Mar 12 2012, 09:51) *
Erm no, where exactly do I say it's fine copying old music?


Right here: "then what incentive do they have to continue creating and releasing music?". The objective of your proposal seems to be to stimulate artists to continue creating music, doesn't it? In the two sketched scenarios the download of old music would have no effect on production of new music. In fact, for artists who are still active, profits from their back catalogue actually serve as a disincentive to work.

In the patronage system, OTOH, artists have the greatest possible incentive to continue creating and releasing music, and of good quality to boot. That's because their meal tickets depend on their performance.
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post Mar 12 2012, 12:30
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QUOTE (Redark @ Mar 12 2012, 11:47) *
QUOTE (probedb @ Mar 12 2012, 09:51) *
Erm no, where exactly do I say it's fine copying old music?


Right here: "then what incentive do they have to continue creating and releasing music?". The objective of your proposal seems to be to stimulate artists to continue creating music, doesn't it?


Now you are extracting your implications from his[/hers?] argument. Not only that, but you are extracting your implications from what the argument does not say anything about. So you are invoking the implicit assumptions that (i) this is the only argument, and (ii) your opponent agrees with you on the implications. Of course this is sometimes justified (should we be restricted to putting forth only arguments which follow by logical necessity AND everyone else's sometimes fairly f**ked-up idea of logic, then we would probably not be getting anywhere), but I'd say you pushed it quite a bit too far here.

What would have been wrong with 'OK, then I guess it is fine copying old music' (written on your own behalf)?


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post Mar 12 2012, 17:27
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QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 12 2012, 12:30) *
What would have been wrong with 'OK, then I guess it is fine copying old music' (written on your own behalf)?


It's fine only if you think copyright legislation is a bait for the production of new art. I don't believe it is. My own advice to squallkiercosa is more along the lines: either you follow the law because it's the law or else you should feel free to do whatever you want, as long as you can get away with it. I had understood probedb's remark to mean some sort of rationalization of the kind "buy cds - it'll be for your own good in the long run". I don't think this sort of argument works, but if you disagree I'd be eager to hear why.
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- squallkiercosa   Why I am not interested in buying cds anymore?   Mar 10 2012, 16:25
- - skamp   Any reason you're not buying your music off iT...   Mar 10 2012, 16:58
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- - squallkiercosa   The funny thing is, nowadays I can pay for my musi...   Mar 11 2012, 08:49
|- - dumdidum   QUOTE (squallkiercosa @ Mar 11 2012, 08:4...   Mar 11 2012, 09:27
- - soundping   When you have hard drives get killed from a lighti...   Mar 11 2012, 11:40
|- - Nessuno   QUOTE (soundping @ Mar 11 2012, 11:40) Wh...   Mar 11 2012, 20:49
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- - [JAZ]   Even thought there is an illegal side on the openi...   Mar 11 2012, 13:33
- - squallkiercosa   [JAZ] Thanks for your comment, Is good to see peop...   Mar 11 2012, 14:27
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|- - squallkiercosa   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Mar 11 2012, 23:28) QUOT...   Mar 21 2012, 20:43
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