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24 bit vinyl clips, Examples of 24 bit vinyl and bit-reduced versions
Gretschguy
post Feb 15 2012, 19:03
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Attached are several clips for vinyl rips, each in (24/48) and (16/44.1) -- I have many more but 7 I filled up my attachment space.

I used Izotope's SRC and MBit+ algorithms to do the conversion, I converted sample rate first and then bit rate.

The rips were done using Thorens Turntable, Lyra Delos cartride, Parasound phono pre, Burl B2 ADC, Lynx AES16 card, Pure Vinyl software.

If anyone has better conversion technology than Izotope I would be interested to hear those samples for my own comparison, as a practical matter I would like to have the best possible bit reduced versions in my library in addition to my 24 bit versions.

If anyone is interested in specific notes on what I'm hearing as the differences in my playback system then let me know.

The sources are:

Dire Straits "Romeo And Juliet"
Prefab Sprout "Faron Young"
Yes "Roundabout"
The National "Bloodbuzz Ohio"
Cat Stevens "Father And Son"
Roxy Music "Running Wild"
John Lennon "Mind Games"

Thanks for checking these out.




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Attached File  Romeo_And_Juliet__30s___24_48_.wav ( 6.98MB ) Number of downloads: 165
Attached File  Romeo_And_Juliet__30s___16_44_.wav ( 4.31MB ) Number of downloads: 117
Attached File  Roundabout__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.53MB ) Number of downloads: 88
Attached File  Roundabout__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.27MB ) Number of downloads: 75
Attached File  Bloodbuzz_Ohio__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.37MB ) Number of downloads: 83
Attached File  Bloodbuzz_Ohio__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.16MB ) Number of downloads: 72
Attached File  Father_And_Son__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.37MB ) Number of downloads: 98
Attached File  Father_And_Son__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.17MB ) Number of downloads: 97
Attached File  Faron_Young__30s___24_48_.wav ( 7.9MB ) Number of downloads: 157
Attached File  Faron_Young__30s___16_44_.wav ( 4.88MB ) Number of downloads: 86
Attached File  Running_Wild__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.11MB ) Number of downloads: 85
Attached File  Running_Wild__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.27MB ) Number of downloads: 80
Attached File  Mind_Games__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.05MB ) Number of downloads: 68
Attached File  Mind_Games__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.24MB ) Number of downloads: 86
 
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Gretschguy
post Feb 17 2012, 05:26
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Paul, tonight I'm ripping the original vinyl Siouxsie & The Banshees "Tinderbox" -- Pure Music measures "dynamic range" for "Party's Fall" at 24dB (dynamic range here is defined as peak to LEQ ratio) -- I loaded up my remastered CD I bought last year and it measure 14dB on the same song!

I know you probably are aware of this whole loudness war thing, but I'm not sure folks appreciate that guys like me have run screaming back to our vinyl for this exact reason. That's some massive compression on the remaster -- that's more than a 40% reduction right? It's a lot more "sound" probably due to multi-band compression which seems prevalent in mastering in the last five years or so (I'm guessing here, I'm not sure when this gem of modern technology was bestowed upon us).

I do my own mastering in my studio and compression has some damaging effects. Again, I apologize if this is obvious to everyone. I just don't think the "colorization" of vinyl is the main point for some people such as me who think our old vinyl smokes these new remasters. This one is atrocious! Maybe its useful for me to take down some of my other samples and load up a comparison of "Party's Fall" original vinyl to the new remaster? Let me know if anyone is interested.

Does anyone have "Tinderbox", do you measure what I measure. Holy smokes.

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Gretschguy
post Feb 17 2012, 05:33
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"Candyman" from the same remaster CD is measuring 13dB in Pure Music. The whole remastered CD is in this 13-14 range and the vinyl was measuring up around 23-24.

[again, I'm not claiming technical superiority of vinyl here, I'm claiming practical superiority in my opinion due to this lack of artificial compression that has been applied to recent remasters.]

Hey, any one want to buy some Siouxsie & The Banshees remastered CDs really cheap???

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- Gretschguy   24 bit vinyl clips   Feb 15 2012, 19:03
- - Wombat   It shouldn´t be of any advantage to use iZotope di...   Feb 15 2012, 19:35
- - Wombat   I gave this Faron Young sample a try and played it...   Feb 15 2012, 20:44
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (Wombat @ Feb 15 2012, 20:44) I gav...   Feb 15 2012, 21:57
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 12:57) D...   Feb 15 2012, 22:09
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 22:09) QUOT...   Feb 15 2012, 22:28
- - pdq   An interesting experiment for Gretschguy to perfor...   Feb 15 2012, 21:09
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 15 2012, 21:09) An inter...   Feb 15 2012, 21:43
- - pdq   From the website for the DAC, it appears that it d...   Feb 15 2012, 21:52
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 15 2012, 21:52) From the...   Feb 15 2012, 22:00
- - greynol   Let there be no doubt that any audible differences...   Feb 15 2012, 22:02
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 22:02) Let ...   Feb 15 2012, 22:17
- - greynol   It's readily accepted that best practice is to...   Feb 15 2012, 22:21
- - Wombat   QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 21:57) W...   Feb 15 2012, 22:31
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (Wombat @ Feb 15 2012, 23:31) QUOTE...   Feb 15 2012, 22:40
- - greynol   If you cannot demonstrate that what you're hea...   Feb 15 2012, 22:35
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 23:35) If y...   Feb 15 2012, 22:41
- - AndyH-ha   What are you asking for? Do you have a problem to ...   Feb 15 2012, 22:39
- - mixminus1   @Gretschguy, a couple questions: 1) You said earl...   Feb 15 2012, 22:55
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Feb 15 2012, 22:55) @G...   Feb 15 2012, 23:27
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 14:27) M...   Feb 15 2012, 23:33
- - greynol   He could just up-convert to the highest bit depth/...   Feb 15 2012, 23:16
- - xnor   Thanks for the samples. A simple analysis showed t...   Feb 16 2012, 00:31
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (xnor @ Feb 16 2012, 01:31) Thanks ...   Feb 16 2012, 03:49
- - mjb2006   I wouldn't worry about using SoX. Izotope...   Feb 16 2012, 03:43
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Feb 16 2012, 04:43) I wo...   Feb 16 2012, 03:51
- - cliveb   OK, I have listened to Gretschguy's vinyl clip...   Feb 16 2012, 10:17
- - 2Bdecided   Sorry to reply a third time! I've been en...   Feb 20 2012, 14:34
- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 20 2012, 15:34) So...   Feb 21 2012, 03:24


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