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24 bit vinyl clips, Examples of 24 bit vinyl and bit-reduced versions
Gretschguy
post Feb 15 2012, 18:11
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QUOTE (MichaelW @ Feb 15 2012, 14:37) *
QUOTE (knutinh @ Feb 15 2012, 22:31) *
For many listeners, for a lot of content and for a lot of listening situations, vinyl seems to be at least "good enough". CD also seems to be "good enough", but that is 50-100 years newer technology.


I think the point is that although vinyl is capable of very good reproduction, it takes a lot of care and reasonably serious money to achieve that standard. In the 1950s and '60s, most music was listened to on very suboptimal equipment (I think I went through the career of The Beatles with ceramic cartridges). Nowadays, equivalent consumer electronics bought in the same furniture stores will produce vastly superior reproduction, equal to or better than the exotic best of the vinyl era (always excepting speakers). That seems like real progress.


Yes and no -- I've certainly spent a lot of care and money on my vinyl setup -- my Burl ADC alone probably costs more than most folks whole sound systems. But I would say, in my experience, that vinyl quickly exceeds CD for the right material (I listen to much 70s and 80s vinyl) and is not just providing "good reproduction" but rather "stellar reproduction" that I can't seem to get from my CD playback and my 16 / 44.1 playback is done by Burmester which is a pretty good name in the business. Even with my more modest Denon cartridge before upgrading to my Delos, I felt that my vinyl playback exceeded my CD playback when both were compared on my Burmester audio system.
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post Feb 15 2012, 19:03
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Attached are several clips for vinyl rips, each in (24/48) and (16/44.1) -- I have many more but 7 I filled up my attachment space.

I used Izotope's SRC and MBit+ algorithms to do the conversion, I converted sample rate first and then bit rate.

The rips were done using Thorens Turntable, Lyra Delos cartride, Parasound phono pre, Burl B2 ADC, Lynx AES16 card, Pure Vinyl software.

If anyone has better conversion technology than Izotope I would be interested to hear those samples for my own comparison, as a practical matter I would like to have the best possible bit reduced versions in my library in addition to my 24 bit versions.

If anyone is interested in specific notes on what I'm hearing as the differences in my playback system then let me know.

The sources are:

Dire Straits "Romeo And Juliet"
Prefab Sprout "Faron Young"
Yes "Roundabout"
The National "Bloodbuzz Ohio"
Cat Stevens "Father And Son"
Roxy Music "Running Wild"
John Lennon "Mind Games"

Thanks for checking these out.




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Attached File  Romeo_And_Juliet__30s___24_48_.wav ( 6.98MB ) Number of downloads: 167
Attached File  Romeo_And_Juliet__30s___16_44_.wav ( 4.31MB ) Number of downloads: 117
Attached File  Roundabout__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.53MB ) Number of downloads: 88
Attached File  Roundabout__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.27MB ) Number of downloads: 75
Attached File  Bloodbuzz_Ohio__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.37MB ) Number of downloads: 85
Attached File  Bloodbuzz_Ohio__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.16MB ) Number of downloads: 72
Attached File  Father_And_Son__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.37MB ) Number of downloads: 100
Attached File  Father_And_Son__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.17MB ) Number of downloads: 99
Attached File  Faron_Young__30s___24_48_.wav ( 7.9MB ) Number of downloads: 157
Attached File  Faron_Young__30s___16_44_.wav ( 4.88MB ) Number of downloads: 87
Attached File  Running_Wild__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.11MB ) Number of downloads: 85
Attached File  Running_Wild__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.27MB ) Number of downloads: 81
Attached File  Mind_Games__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.05MB ) Number of downloads: 68
Attached File  Mind_Games__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.24MB ) Number of downloads: 86
 
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post Feb 15 2012, 22:04
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QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 12:11) *
Yes and no -- I've certainly spent a lot of care and money on my vinyl setup -- my Burl ADC alone probably costs more than most folks whole sound systems. But I would say, in my experience, that vinyl quickly exceeds CD for the right material (I listen to much 70s and 80s vinyl) and is not just providing "good reproduction" but rather "stellar reproduction" that I can't seem to get from my CD playback and my 16 / 44.1 playback is done by Burmester which is a pretty good name in the business. Even with my more modest Denon cartridge before upgrading to my Delos, I felt that my vinyl playback exceeded my CD playback when both were compared on my Burmester audio system.

Have I misunderstood your setup?


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- Gretschguy   24 bit vinyl clips   Feb 15 2012, 19:03
- - Wombat   It shouldn´t be of any advantage to use iZotope di...   Feb 15 2012, 19:35
- - Wombat   I gave this Faron Young sample a try and played it...   Feb 15 2012, 20:44
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (Wombat @ Feb 15 2012, 20:44) I gav...   Feb 15 2012, 21:57
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 12:57) D...   Feb 15 2012, 22:09
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 22:09) QUOT...   Feb 15 2012, 22:28
- - pdq   An interesting experiment for Gretschguy to perfor...   Feb 15 2012, 21:09
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 15 2012, 21:09) An inter...   Feb 15 2012, 21:43
- - pdq   From the website for the DAC, it appears that it d...   Feb 15 2012, 21:52
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 15 2012, 21:52) From the...   Feb 15 2012, 22:00
- - greynol   Let there be no doubt that any audible differences...   Feb 15 2012, 22:02
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 22:02) Let ...   Feb 15 2012, 22:17
- - greynol   It's readily accepted that best practice is to...   Feb 15 2012, 22:21
- - Wombat   QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 21:57) W...   Feb 15 2012, 22:31
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (Wombat @ Feb 15 2012, 23:31) QUOTE...   Feb 15 2012, 22:40
- - greynol   If you cannot demonstrate that what you're hea...   Feb 15 2012, 22:35
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 23:35) If y...   Feb 15 2012, 22:41
- - AndyH-ha   What are you asking for? Do you have a problem to ...   Feb 15 2012, 22:39
- - mixminus1   @Gretschguy, a couple questions: 1) You said earl...   Feb 15 2012, 22:55
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Feb 15 2012, 22:55) @G...   Feb 15 2012, 23:27
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 14:27) M...   Feb 15 2012, 23:33
- - greynol   He could just up-convert to the highest bit depth/...   Feb 15 2012, 23:16
- - xnor   Thanks for the samples. A simple analysis showed t...   Feb 16 2012, 00:31
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (xnor @ Feb 16 2012, 01:31) Thanks ...   Feb 16 2012, 03:49
- - mjb2006   I wouldn't worry about using SoX. Izotope...   Feb 16 2012, 03:43
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Feb 16 2012, 04:43) I wo...   Feb 16 2012, 03:51
- - cliveb   OK, I have listened to Gretschguy's vinyl clip...   Feb 16 2012, 10:17
- - 2Bdecided   Sorry to reply a third time! I've been en...   Feb 20 2012, 14:34
- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 20 2012, 15:34) So...   Feb 21 2012, 03:24


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