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jamesbaud
post Feb 5 2012, 12:14
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http://m.usatoday.com/article/tech/52963362

I thought this was interesting.
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post Feb 6 2012, 17:08
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QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 5 2012, 08:51) *
Because the article is by default displayed as a short page, actually the first of nine, and the link to display it all at once is buried away down the page, here is said link for convenience:
http://m.usatoday.com/article/tech/5296336...ViewMode=single

That's still the mobile link, the normal link is in post #4.

BTW, HA favorite Michael Fremer makes an appearance in the comments, indignant at a critic, as always.
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post Feb 6 2012, 18:01
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QUOTE (andy o @ Feb 6 2012, 16:08) *
HA favorite Michael Fremer makes an appearance in the comments
Ooo, thanks for that - straight through to his facebook page.

I like the photos of his record collection. I can sympathise with the lack of space! He also has interesting screen caps showing the result of the loudness wars on vinyl mastering.

...but how can he believe things like this...
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I know many well known recording engineers---and they agree that vinyl sounds more like what they put to tape than does the CD version. if it's a high resolution digital recording, the vinyl is more likely than not to sound more like the file than is a truncated CD version. I wish I could post here an MP3 of properly played back vinyl...even in that awful format you can hear what I'm talking about.
(from the comments section of http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/20...62/1?csp=34news )

If you add in the indisputable facts that mp3 is either worse than, or equivalent to, CD - and that mp3, decoded, can be losslessly written to CD - then what you have there is that vinyl sounds better than CD, and to prove it, Michael will send you a messed up recording of some vinyl (i.e. an mp3) which you can copy perfectly onto CD to hear how much better it is than CD!!!??!?!

Or simply...
master > vinyl > mp3 > CD
is better than
master > CD


I think the guy is trying to explain what he thinks he hears - i.e. that most of the time, vinyl sounds better than CD. But he can't find a rational explanation, so falls back on irrational non-logic, pseudo science, and things-we-don't-know / can't-measure / our-ears-are-too-clever.

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David.
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- jamesbaud   USA Today: Music lovers pursue technologies to return to high fidelity   Feb 5 2012, 12:14
- - C.R.Helmrich   Here we go again. I had to stop at page 5. QUOTE ...   Feb 5 2012, 12:36
- - Kohlrabi   The article, if you may even call it that for it...   Feb 5 2012, 12:39
- - skamp   Here's the full page article.   Feb 5 2012, 13:10
- - derty2   Speaking as a music lover and consumer of high-fid...   Feb 5 2012, 14:12
|- - db1989   QUOTE (derty2 @ Feb 5 2012, 13:12) HDTrac...   Feb 5 2012, 14:45
- - zima   With small assault of such articles recently (say,...   Feb 5 2012, 14:20
- - hlloyge   So, it's not article worth of reading, then?   Feb 5 2012, 17:37
|- - db1989   Because the article is by default displayed as a s...   Feb 5 2012, 17:51
- - kraut   QUOTE So, it's not article worth of reading, t...   Feb 5 2012, 19:53
|- - C.R.Helmrich   QUOTE (kraut @ Feb 5 2012, 20:53) No, not...   Feb 5 2012, 21:46
- - Speedskater   Was the video demo of the difference between MP3 a...   Feb 5 2012, 20:30
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Speedskater @ Feb 5 2012, 19:30) W...   Feb 6 2012, 12:42
- - smok3   Can we have this logo: pretty please?   Feb 5 2012, 20:58
- - Carledwards   I would characterize this article as completely wo...   Feb 5 2012, 21:25
- - MichaelW   I wonder if part of the point of this kind of rubb...   Feb 5 2012, 22:01
|- - hlloyge   QUOTE (MichaelW @ Feb 5 2012, 22:01) I wo...   Feb 6 2012, 16:55
- - kraut   QUOTE Uh, if you call an A/D converter a computer,...   Feb 5 2012, 22:41
- - wakibaki   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Feb 5 2012, 20:46) ...   Feb 6 2012, 02:45
- - andy o   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 5 2012, 08:51) Becaus...   Feb 6 2012, 17:08
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (andy o @ Feb 6 2012, 16:08) HA fav...   Feb 6 2012, 18:01
||- - andy o   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 6 2012, 09:01) I t...   Feb 6 2012, 19:11
||- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 6 2012, 18:01) QUO...   Feb 7 2012, 01:28
||- - IgorC   QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Feb 6 2012, 21:28) That...   Feb 7 2012, 01:54
|- - db1989   QUOTE (andy o @ Feb 6 2012, 16:08) QUOTE ...   Feb 6 2012, 23:33
- - dhromed   I had to stop reading. My blood pressure is more i...   Feb 6 2012, 17:47
- - andy o   Even if it were real engineers, I wonder what actu...   Feb 7 2012, 03:36
- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (IgorC @ Feb 7 2012, 01:54) The pro...   Feb 7 2012, 09:42
- - IgorC   The article has no scientific signature. There is ...   Feb 7 2012, 14:04
- - IgorC   From linkedin of Pat McMakin: QUOTE I have a busi...   Feb 7 2012, 15:15
- - kraut   QUOTE Now there are people who admit that Vinyl is...   Feb 7 2012, 15:33
|- - db1989   Great points! And nice equipment. QUOTE (kra...   Feb 7 2012, 15:47
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (kraut @ Feb 7 2012, 15:33) two Tho...   Feb 7 2012, 19:26
|- - Ron Jones   QUOTE (kraut @ Feb 7 2012, 07:33) Also, a...   Feb 7 2012, 21:53
- - dhromed   Funny, I grew up in the transitional period from v...   Feb 7 2012, 16:02
- - Engelsstaub   Nah dhromed, I don't think it makes you irrati...   Feb 7 2012, 16:17
- - kraut   QUOTE So I suppose that makes me irrationally bias...   Feb 7 2012, 16:41
- - dhromed   I was a wee lad in the 80's. Yes, my bias agai...   Feb 7 2012, 16:58
- - kraut   As the thread is off the rails for now... The one...   Feb 7 2012, 20:34
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (kraut @ Feb 7 2012, 20:34) (any go...   Feb 7 2012, 22:47
- - kraut   http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/200...urnta...   Feb 7 2012, 22:28


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