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Recommend me a lossless codec—looking for a nice compression–to–speed
Dario
post Jan 26 2012, 00:15
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Howdy, people from Hydrogenaudio

As per the topic's title, I am looking for a lossless codec that offers a nice compression (something around Monkey's Audio's High) along with a nice encoding/decoding speed (I am more concerned about the decoding). I initially stumbled upon TAK, which had everything I could ask for, but much to my demise, I found out that the playback of TAK is rather buggy—the official Winamp plug-in does not work well with 24/96 files (even though the TAK format supports high resolutions). Furthermore, I would ideally want the codec to be stable.

I would be very grateful to anyone who helps.

PS: Before mentioning FLAC, I have to say that I am dissatisfied with the compression it offers, as my storage space is pretty limited (and won't be improving until this summer at earliest).
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n0v!ze
post Jul 8 2012, 20:42
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For years, I've been using FLAC and only recently switched to True Audio. Two to five out of hundred rips didn't play properly in Winamp with cue_in, some songs stopped right in the middle. Time display is always a few seconds behind. Well, this may all be related to cue_in or other things related to my machine and not to FLAC. Don't want to blame FLAC here, it's a great tool.

The True Audio Encoder ttaenc has two perceived disadvantages: Nearly no compression options and inability to redirect output to a pipe. For the type of music I listen to, which is mostly Heavy Metal, I found that the generated files sizes of .flac and .tta are nearly identical when compression to FLAC is done with second best ratio (Q 7 out of 8). Both encoding and decoding speed are at least on the same level, my (unverified) impression is that True Audio is often faster. Should I ever need the pipe output, I will apply the patch provided by the sox developer.

An advantage of True Audio is that it supports ID3 Tags. I create both lossless and lossy files when I rip. Having the very same id3 tags in both formats makes file management easier (for example file and folder name generation from tags). True Audio lacks a metatta utility but I didn't use metaflac anyway so I'm not missing it. True Audio is Open Source Software like FLAC is. Like FLAC, it lacks active development for a couple of years. Perhaps WavPack is the better, actively developed alternative? I don't know.
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post Jul 8 2012, 21:17
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QUOTE (n0v!ze @ Jul 8 2012, 21:42) *
True Audio is Open Source Software like FLAC is. Like FLAC, it lacks active development for a couple of years. Perhaps WavPack is the better, actively developed alternative? I don't know.


Whether stability or active development is better, is a matter of opinion and subject to the need for development of the particular applications. Now if my impression is correct, much of last few years' development of WavPack, is on the lossy or hybrid features. Anyway, the developer himself is an active member of this forum (well, FLAC's Josh Coalson is here too, but not very active ... and I seem to recall some TTA devs in old threads). The TAK developer is also here.


QUOTE (n0v!ze @ Jul 8 2012, 21:42) *
Both encoding and decoding speed are at least on the same level, my (unverified) impression is that True Audio is often faster.


If you are curious about decoding speeds, then foobar2000 has a speed tester. On a fairly recent computer with a moving-parts harddrive (as opposed to a portable device or SSD), then decoding could very well be constrained by the harddrive, as FLAC is very fast (never tested TTA, but on my computer, FLAC usually decodes at least 50% quicker than mp3.)

Encoding? If you are switching formats every now and then, you would worry about that. But most of us do encode an average of 1-point-something times wink.gif


QUOTE (n0v!ze @ Jul 8 2012, 21:42) *
mostly Heavy Metal,
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An advantage of True Audio is that it supports ID3 Tags.


... so that you can have a tagging scheme which disallows AC/DC tongue.gif
(Seriously, who the f(x) designed that?)


If you could see yourself using Linux, then there is the MP3FS virtual file system, which creates mp3s on-the-fly from FLAC (currently only that format supported).


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- Dario   Recommend me a lossless codec—looking for a nice compression–to–speed   Jan 26 2012, 00:15
- - Ouroboros   FLAC and TAK are within 2% of each other....... F...   Jan 26 2012, 00:40
|- - Dario   QUOTE (Ouroboros @ Jan 26 2012, 00:40) FL...   Jan 26 2012, 00:50
|- - Soap   QUOTE (Dario @ Jan 25 2012, 18:50) I am u...   Jan 26 2012, 02:30
|- - washu   QUOTE (Dario @ Jan 25 2012, 18:50) I am u...   Jan 26 2012, 05:48
- - Soap   If decoding speed is an issue you apparently aren...   Jan 26 2012, 00:43
- - Ouroboros   TAK 2.2.0 vs FLAC Between 1 and 4%......   Jan 26 2012, 01:24
- - Dario   3–4% is quite a nice amount, at least in my eyes. ...   Jan 26 2012, 01:37
- - shadowking   My old Pentium 3-550 could play monkeys normal-hig...   Jan 26 2012, 02:46
- - shadowking   You could try wavpack -h or -hh should be close to...   Jan 26 2012, 02:52
- - marc2003   have you tried reporting your problems with TAK pl...   Jan 26 2012, 03:01
- - Porcus   SyntheticSoul's speed and compression comparis...   Jan 26 2012, 04:07
- - Dario   Whenever I try to open a file encoded in Monkey...   Jan 26 2012, 14:31
|- - probedb   QUOTE (Dario @ Jan 26 2012, 13:31) Whenev...   Jan 26 2012, 15:43
|- - dhromed   QUOTE (Dario @ Jan 26 2012, 14:31) Whenev...   Jan 26 2012, 15:53
- - Porcus   Have you set up your player for buffering? Decodin...   Jan 26 2012, 19:47
- - HorsePower73   Try dsfTAKSource: http://liviocavallo.altervista.o...   Feb 7 2012, 10:06
- - n0v!ze   For years, I've been using FLAC and only recen...   Jul 8 2012, 20:42
|- - db1989   QUOTE (n0v!ze @ Jul 8 2012, 20:42) Fo...   Jul 8 2012, 20:48
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (n0v!ze @ Jul 8 2012, 21:42) Tr...   Jul 8 2012, 21:17
- - Jan S.   Sad to see that noone linked to our own wiki.. h...   Jul 9 2012, 10:51
- - Porcus   QUOTE (Jan S. @ Jul 9 2012, 11:51) Sad to...   Jul 9 2012, 13:22


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