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Jplay - just another scam? YES IT IS!
kraut
post Jan 12 2012, 05:05
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http://jplay.eu/

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JPLAY was built with only one goal in mind: optimal music reproduction. Its stripped-down, bare-bones playback engine fits completely inside CPU cache and can be used as stand-alone player or together with popular music management software:

JPLAY is the first audiophile player providing direct integration with JRiver Media center, foobar2000 and iTunes.

There is a GUI panel included for quick & easy adjustment of most important settings. This now makes JPLAY easier to use than ever and leverages hosts’ GUI with JPLAY’s Award-Winning audio playback technology.


Can someone explain of what the use a player within the foobar2000 player is?
It is better because:

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jplay pre-loads complete playlist into RAM guaranteeing zero disk I/O during music reproduction.
Maximal Priority Scheduling
ultra low latency capabilities
Maximal Priority Scheduling Ensure uninterrupted flow of music data by running music playback at highest possible priority.
Hibernation Mode
multicore audio playback
Hibernation Mode Cancel OS ‘noise’ by eliminating dozens of OS jitter-inducing processes & hundreds of threads!
?

Is there any veracity to such claims? Knowing what little I know about computer audio (which is not all that much, despite having put together my own audio server with all the necessary hard and software) I really doubt there is any substance to the assertions. The only benefit I can see is to the developer charging something like 99$.....

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post Jan 22 2012, 21:22
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Or are you suggesting that hundreds of people from all over the world are all foolish idiots?


Only someone who has not followed the cable, capacitor, pennies on top of speakers, green edged cds and other idiot tweaks in discussions in hi end audio can pose such a question.
We are not only talking hundreds, we are talking tens of thousands of idiots who could hear - unfortunately never in a blinded test - audible differences of all kind of tweaks.

As a manufacturer of a product that claims to have superior sound despite in this case not even measurable differnces I do not think the onus is on me to show this product does what it claims it is doing, it is up to you to show in tests whose methodology is above suspicion and whose results are verifiable that there is an audible difference.
If you cannot do that you are nothing but the proverbial vacuum cleaner salesman who with sordid tricks convinces the housewives of the superiority of his product.
I do not see any probability that your product does what it claims it can do, there is no measurement that demonstrates a difference in bit transmission or a difference in the d/a conversion, your claims are even weaker than the claims by cable manufacturers, who at least have some data regarding the differences in ohms/ft and capacitance to show the probability that audibility might be possible.

After your responses all I can say that you have me not convinced of the non existence of a polish/dutch scam axis.

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ok - i see you really don't want to try it yourself at all yet demand 'evidence'...


I am willing to try if there is a likely hood based by some data that the product might be superior to others. not willing to waste my time on spurious claims.

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post Jan 22 2012, 23:17
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QUOTE (kraut @ Jan 22 2012, 20:22) *
As [josef is] a manufacturer of a product that claims to have superior sound despite in this case not even measurable differnces I do not think the onus is on me to show this product does what it claims it is doing, it is up to [josef] to show in tests whose methodology is above suspicion and whose results are verifiable that there is an audible difference.
This is what I meant throughout, especially with the usual “burden of proof” bit, although I concede that I probably didn’t state it precisely enough (rather than heavily implying it).

It is up to you to prove that a difference (effect, improvement, etc.) exists—not to us to prove the absence of a difference. Google for Russell’s teapot if you want an in-depth explanation of this. Basically, there isn’t enough time in the universe to disprove every possible false (or possibly false) claim, or to make them, for that matter.

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I am willing to try if there is a likely hood based by some data that the product might be superior to others. not willing to waste my time on spurious claims.
This too.

QUOTE (josef @ Jan 22 2012, 21:35) *
You want measurements? Kraut, man, top scientist in the world with budgets in millions (billions?) can’t agree whether they measured speed of light correctly or not yet you want two guys in garage to come up with a scientific paper that proves beyond doubt that what happens in PC during music playback can affect it? LOL
If I had a penny for every time I’ve heard/read an irrelevant analogy… You’re not doing yourself any favours with disingenuous quips like this.

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Look, once again: I have no desire of convincing you of anything: you go on believing that world is flat as far as I’m concerned - I have better things to do than ‘convince’ anyone of anything… I offer you to test the claim yourself (yeah, blind testing of your own) and if you choose to ignore it that's fine - i really don't care...('you can lead the horse to water you can't make it drink'...)
See above, and ironic kudos for the flat-Earth bit!

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But if you dare call me a cheat please put forward some evidence of your own or retract the claim…
This isn’t really what’s happening. You have made a claim, and (in line with my second paragraph above) you are being asked to put forward some evidence or retract the claim. Instead, you seem to be side-stepping around this request by transmuting it into allegations of personal insults and thereby portraying yourself as a victim of a barrage of vindictive tomatoes.
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- kraut   Jplay - just another scam? YES IT IS!   Jan 12 2012, 05:05
- - chiwou   well I installed the trial and it didn't work,...   Jan 12 2012, 06:27
|- - tpijag   QUOTE (chiwou @ Jan 11 2012, 23:27) well ...   Jan 12 2012, 16:48
|- - mudlord   QUOTE (tpijag @ Jan 12 2012, 09:48) QUOTE...   Jan 16 2012, 07:02
- - carpman   This should give you some idea of the target audie...   Jan 12 2012, 07:54
- - shakey_snake   Tweako audiophiles (the type that HA's ToS #8 ...   Jan 12 2012, 07:55
- - kraut   QUOTE unfortunately believe that anything that is ...   Jan 12 2012, 08:02
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (kraut @ Jan 12 2012, 02:02) QUOTE ...   Jan 12 2012, 17:11
- - hlloyge   I'm interested, how a playback engine, which i...   Jan 12 2012, 09:53
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (hlloyge @ Jan 12 2012, 03:53) I...   Jan 12 2012, 14:55
||- - hlloyge   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 12 2012, 15...   Jan 16 2012, 15:01
|- - vrapp   QUOTE (hlloyge @ Jan 12 2012, 09:53) I...   Jan 24 2012, 16:00
- - Carledwards   Snake oil for those whose disposable income far ex...   Jan 12 2012, 10:00
- - Porcus   QUOTE jplay pre-loads complete playlist into RAM g...   Jan 12 2012, 12:29
|- - dhromed   QUOTE (Porcus @ Jan 12 2012, 13:29) In th...   Jan 12 2012, 12:48
- - ramicio   This jitter hype is getting ridiculous. The only ...   Jan 12 2012, 14:49
- - kraut   QUOTE For its size, at 256K, compared to other pro...   Jan 16 2012, 17:31
- - JimH   Is this based on ABX testing?   Jan 17 2012, 00:39
- - godrick   Jplay looks like it may be largely vaporware based...   Jan 17 2012, 02:18
|- - mudlord   QUOTE (godrick @ Jan 16 2012, 20:18) Jpla...   Jan 17 2012, 02:49
- - godrick   I also wonder how they gained permission to use Fo...   Jan 17 2012, 06:45
|- - JimH   QUOTE (godrick @ Jan 16 2012, 23:45) I al...   Jan 18 2012, 22:01
- - Canar   That isn't even a proper foobar2000 logo. That...   Jan 18 2012, 22:24
- - godrick   Ooops! JimH, I did not mean to exclude you fr...   Jan 19 2012, 03:41
|- - mudlord   QUOTE (godrick @ Jan 18 2012, 20:41) Perh...   Jan 19 2012, 08:48
|- - JimH   QUOTE (godrick @ Jan 18 2012, 20:41) Ooop...   Jan 19 2012, 17:32
|- - josef   Hello everyone - I am the guy behind jplay, nice t...   Jan 22 2012, 17:06
|- - db1989   QUOTE (josef @ Jan 22 2012, 16:06) Indeed...   Jan 22 2012, 17:21
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (josef @ Jan 22 2012, 17:06) we cla...   Jan 22 2012, 18:47
||- - josef   Db1989 – Why such aggressive, condescending ...   Jan 22 2012, 20:06
||- - db1989   QUOTE (josef @ Jan 22 2012, 19:06) Db1989...   Jan 22 2012, 20:28
|||- - josef   ok - i see you really don't want to try it you...   Jan 22 2012, 21:02
||- - Porcus   QUOTE (josef @ Jan 22 2012, 20:06) Not su...   Jan 22 2012, 23:30
|- - mudlord   QUOTE (josef @ Jan 22 2012, 10:06) Plugin...   Jan 23 2012, 00:38
- - JJZolx   So how does it work, then? You use fb2k's user...   Jan 19 2012, 09:39
- - mudlord   All audio in FB2K is meant to be outputed to its o...   Jan 19 2012, 09:45
- - JJZolx   "Meant to be"?   Jan 19 2012, 09:49
- - mudlord   Yes, all audio passes from the input decoder servi...   Jan 19 2012, 09:51
- - JJZolx   I'm not endorsing anything, but I don't se...   Jan 19 2012, 09:57
|- - mudlord   QUOTE (JJZolx @ Jan 19 2012, 02:57) I...   Jan 19 2012, 09:59
|- - mudlord   QUOTE (JJZolx @ Jan 19 2012, 02:57) I...   Jan 19 2012, 10:27
- - JJZolx   There are a number of similar programs that exist ...   Jan 19 2012, 10:12
|- - godrick   QUOTE (JJZolx @ Jan 19 2012, 11:12) There...   Jan 19 2012, 15:13
- - kraut   QUOTE Or are you suggesting that hundreds of peopl...   Jan 22 2012, 21:22
|- - josef   Kraut: Sorry but you seem to be missing the point:...   Jan 22 2012, 22:35
||- - josef   Michaelw: I assure you I am not a troll am indeed ...   Jan 22 2012, 22:44
||- - bug80   QUOTE (josef @ Jan 22 2012, 22:44) Bug80:...   Jan 22 2012, 22:51
|- - db1989   QUOTE (kraut @ Jan 22 2012, 20:22) As [jo...   Jan 22 2012, 23:17
- - tpijag   QUOTE but now please help me i am really curious (...   Jan 22 2012, 21:50
- - bug80   Josef, you seem like a decent person. I am sure th...   Jan 22 2012, 21:57
- - kraut   QUOTE By the way, the fact that people suffer from...   Jan 22 2012, 22:09
- - MichaelW   @josef I'm not sure if you're a troll, or...   Jan 22 2012, 22:15
|- - JJZolx   QUOTE (MichaelW @ Jan 22 2012, 14:15) The...   Jan 22 2012, 22:42
|- - MichaelW   QUOTE (JJZolx @ Jan 23 2012, 10:42) QUOTE...   Jan 23 2012, 02:35
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- - kraut   QUOTE But ok, ‘measurements’: What would you say i...   Jan 22 2012, 22:59
- - Brand   I was just in the middle of RMAA testing my soundc...   Jan 22 2012, 23:04
- - kraut   QUOTE Looking at the actual numbers it seems like ...   Jan 22 2012, 23:12
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||- - probedb   QUOTE (josef @ Jan 22 2012, 22:17) Kraut:...   Jan 22 2012, 23:31
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