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samd1885
post Dec 30 2011, 21:32
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Hey, I am hoping that someone has tried both and has an honest opinion. I have christmas money and wish to buy an MP3 player, I was wandering which is better, the Sansa Fuze or the Ipod Touch. I only really care about sound quality and any opinions however slight about audio quality would really help. I really don't want any price value opinions though as I want an honest opinion about only sound quality. Thank you! The stock headphones don't matter, I have sennheiser cx 300 ii's and hd 485's. I will put lossless or high bit rate audio on it. Thank you, all help much appreiciated,

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samd1885
post Dec 31 2011, 20:36
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I am going to get the fuze v2 or at least this is the one I am thinking of, not the clip rolleyes.gif The fuze has line out but I have a question, what's the difference between the headphone input and the line out? To me, they both send sound from the mp3 player so I don't understand. Is the lineout a separate cable and not the usual line out (computer) size, is it a special one? Like ipods, i.e unique.

Also, sorry, may seem simple but what is the maximum output voltage? Does it need to match the hifi system? If I am using the amp from the hifi. Please explain, I have no idea, sorry,

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post Dec 31 2011, 22:29
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QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 14:36) *
I am going to get the fuze v2 or at least this is the one I am thinking of, not the clip rolleyes.gif The fuze has line out but I have a question, what's the difference between the headphone input and the line out? To me, they both send sound from the mp3 player so I don't understand. Is the lineout a separate cable and not the usual line out (computer) size, is it a special one? Like ipods, i.e unique.
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http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=92595

QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 14:36) *
Also, sorry, may seem simple but what is the maximum output voltage?


Check the section "maximum output" in the link to the clip+ tests I posted above. The FuzeV2 and Clip+ are identical in this regard.
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post Dec 31 2011, 23:45
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QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 31 2011, 21:29) *
QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 14:36) *
I am going to get the fuze v2 or at least this is the one I am thinking of, not the clip rolleyes.gif The fuze has line out but I have a question, what's the difference between the headphone input and the line out? To me, they both send sound from the mp3 player so I don't understand. Is the lineout a separate cable and not the usual line out (computer) size, is it a special one? Like ipods, i.e unique.
Thanks,
Sam.


http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=92595

QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 14:36) *
Also, sorry, may seem simple but what is the maximum output voltage?


Check the section "maximum output" in the link to the clip+ tests I posted above. The FuzeV2 and Clip+ are identical in this regard.


I have checked it, very interesting but I have a question, I am a newbie at this and was wandering what maximum output needs to be to provide decent quality through a hifi amplifier. I will plug it into my amp which are connected to hifi speakers. The clip+1 (Fuze v2 too..) has a max output of 489 mv and the ipod touch 474mv. Will the Fuze be sufficient for a hifi amp? What is needed. Sorry, I don't understand it's importance, all help would be much appreciated,
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QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 17:45) *
I have checked it, very interesting but I have a question, I am a newbie at this and was wandering what maximum output needs to be to provide decent quality through a hifi amplifier.


It doesn't really matter that much in practice, but a couple hundred mV should be fine. You can always use line out on a fuze which should work fine as well.
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post Jan 1 2012, 00:24
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And the line out bypasses the Fuze's amp and utilizes the hifi's amp, making it sound much better. Thank you! Sudden clarity in my mind from a hell of a lot of distortion. So now all I need to do is find a line out cable that I could buy for the fuze when I buy them together. Great, does this make the fuze merely a data storage then by using line out as it bypasses the fuze's amp?

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QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 18:24) *
And the line out bypasses the Fuze's amp and utilizes the hifi's amp, making it sound much better.


Its not going to impact quality.

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Great, does this make the fuze merely a data storage then by using line out as it bypasses the fuze's amp?


Aside from the differences discussed in the thread I linked, it doesn't really do much else difference for you.
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In the forum you posted, most people said it would be unprocessed audio allowing it to be processed by the hifi amp rather than the player. Therefore I thought it would sound better going through a 300 amp than going through a 30 fuze too. I am a little confused sorry. How would I connect the lineout to the hifi if it didn't have a direct input, would using RCA audio cable or would that be worse quality? If I had an AUX should it provide beneficial audio over the RCA.

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QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 18:45) *
Therefore I thought it would sound better going through a 300 amp than going through a 30 fuze too. I am a little confused sorry.


You're not going to improve anything. We're talking about the output of an mp3 player. This is so trivially good enough that improvement is essentially impossible.

QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 18:45) *
How would I connect the lineout to the hifi if it didn't have a direct input, would using RCA audio cable or would that be worse quality? If I had an AUX should it provide beneficial audio over the RCA.


Figure out what connectors your stereo has, then buy something that can connect to either of the ports on the mp3 player. AUX/RCA/etc are all fine.
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post Jan 1 2012, 01:05
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Ok, i've been reading some more and I have one last question, with AUX input from line out, does the amplifier process the audio or is it the fuze. I understand that the fuze already has amazingly clear output of audio but I was just wandering as I can choose between RCA from the headphone out or AUX from the lineout.

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QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 19:05) *
Ok, i've been reading some more and I have one last question, with AUX input from line out, does the amplifier process the audio or is it the fuze.


Theres an amplifier in fuze. If you use headphones, its the only one. If you use amplified speakers, theres another before the speakers. Amplifiers don't really process sound, they just make it louder.
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- samd1885   Sansa Fuze vs Ipod Touch 4th Generation for Sound Quality only   Dec 30 2011, 21:32
- - saratoga   QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 30 2011, 15:32) Hey...   Dec 30 2011, 21:38
|- - samd1885   What about through a decent hi fi system? I have a...   Dec 30 2011, 22:54
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 30 2011, 16:54) Wha...   Dec 30 2011, 23:39
|- - samd1885   That's amazing, thank you. What you presented ...   Dec 31 2011, 01:06
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|- - MichaelW   QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 31 2011, 11:39) The...   Dec 31 2011, 03:50
- - greynol   Hi and welcome to Hydrogenaudio. In case you have...   Dec 30 2011, 23:04
|- - samd1885   QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 30 2011, 22:04) Hi a...   Dec 30 2011, 23:07
- - greynol   I would hope they aren't based around opinion....   Dec 30 2011, 23:16
|- - samd1885   QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 30 2011, 22:16) Perh...   Dec 30 2011, 23:20
- - greynol   You did nothing to break the rule, rather it was d...   Dec 30 2011, 23:26
|- - samd1885   Ah, ok, I am so sorry, I guess there is little cha...   Dec 30 2011, 23:28
- - greynol   People often provide frequency plots and other gra...   Dec 30 2011, 23:32
- - andy o   I have an iPod Touch 4, and no noise whatsoever. I...   Dec 31 2011, 04:17
- - kritip   The clip+ does suffer in terms of noise during dis...   Dec 31 2011, 05:05
|- - samd1885   QUOTE (kritip @ Dec 31 2011, 04:05) The c...   Dec 31 2011, 11:34
|- - johnb   QUOTE (kritip @ Dec 31 2011, 05:05) The c...   Dec 31 2011, 14:22
|- - samd1885   QUOTE (johnb @ Dec 31 2011, 13:22) QUOTE ...   Dec 31 2011, 14:37
|- - Takla   QUOTE (johnb @ Dec 31 2011, 13:22) But to...   Dec 31 2011, 15:43
- - DonP   Some things to consider: Older sansa's had s...   Dec 31 2011, 18:08
- - samd1885   I am going to get the fuze v2 or at least this is ...   Dec 31 2011, 20:36
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 14:36) I a...   Dec 31 2011, 22:29
|- - samd1885   QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 31 2011, 21:29) QUO...   Dec 31 2011, 23:45
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 17:45) I h...   Jan 1 2012, 00:09
|- - samd1885   And the line out bypasses the Fuze's amp and u...   Jan 1 2012, 00:24
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 18:24) And...   Jan 1 2012, 00:37
|- - samd1885   In the forum you posted, most people said it would...   Jan 1 2012, 00:45
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 18:45) The...   Jan 1 2012, 00:52
|- - samd1885   Ok, i've been reading some more and I have one...   Jan 1 2012, 01:05
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (samd1885 @ Dec 31 2011, 19:05) Ok,...   Jan 1 2012, 01:38
|- - samd1885   Ah, ok thanks, so if I connect it to my CD player ...   Jan 1 2012, 13:27
|- - Soap   QUOTE (samd1885 @ Jan 1 2012, 07:27) Ah, ...   Jan 1 2012, 13:42
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|- - samd1885   QUOTE (Soap @ Jan 1 2012, 22:41) QUOTE (s...   Jan 2 2012, 02:43
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