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"Music Sounds Better on Vinyl", I am so tired of this argument being brought up by the layperson
ozmosis82
post Oct 13 2011, 17:56
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mona-elyafi/..._b_1008876.html

Ugh.

Of special note is the 5th paragraph where she basically shoots herself in the foot:

"Now I don't pretend to be a tech whiz by any means and I am sure I know absolutely nothing about how it all works and why, but the one thing I know for certain though is that music sounds better on vinyl."

If they approve my comment, it should be the first one.
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polemon
post Oct 14 2011, 02:08
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I believe, that what she's referring to, is the romantic value to playing records. The clicks and pops of the record, actually adds to the experience of listening to records.

Digital music (no matter what physical media it is on), is clean and sterile. I believe this is why she claims that vinyl sounds "better" (except if they're encoded badly. Then, they're just digital junk).

I's like saying a printed book is "better" than eBooks. The advocacy for Vinyl is quite similar to that of reel-to-reel tape. I'd even argue, that the open reel advocacy is even more militaristic, since it is of audiophile, high quality and doesn't introduce the clicks and pops of vinyl. At the same time, the machinery looked awesome, with large tape wheels spinning on the machine.
I like vinyl as well. But I'd never claim we should go back to them.

It's like having a vintage motorcycle in the garage that you take for a ride on a nice Sunday.


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post Oct 27 2011, 02:39
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QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 13 2011, 19:08) *
I believe, that what she's referring to, is the romantic value to playing records. The clicks and pops of the record, actually adds to the experience of listening to records.

Digital music (no matter what physical media it is on), is clean and sterile. I believe this is why she claims that vinyl sounds "better" (except if they're encoded badly. Then, they're just digital junk).

I's like saying a printed book is "better" than eBooks. The advocacy for Vinyl is quite similar to that of reel-to-reel tape. I'd even argue, that the open reel advocacy is even more militaristic, since it is of audiophile, high quality and doesn't introduce the clicks and pops of vinyl. At the same time, the machinery looked awesome, with large tape wheels spinning on the machine.
I like vinyl as well. But I'd never claim we should go back to them.

It's like having a vintage motorcycle in the garage that you take for a ride on a nice Sunday.


I was spellbound by this thread. I still have LPs, cassettes, 45's and open reels ranging from hundreds to thousands for each category. Before digital came along, I swore up and down that LPs were the best of the breed and my reels sounded fabulous. It did take me a while to get used to CD's when they first arrived. Being in the music business, I still remember, like yesterday, when PolyGram unveiled the new John Cougar album on CD at a listening session in 1983. The next month, I won my first CD player, a single-play Sony model, from CBS Records. The rest is history!

Today, I hardly play any LP that is available on CD because, in contrast to her, I despise pops and clicks! Be that as it may, I still go back to my vinyl or open reels when the song or album is not available anywhere in any format. And, I have a LOT of rare material. In those cases, I digitize the songs and live with the pops and clicks...just too lazy to process them out. I really hated cassettes because of the ubiquitous hiss but they were portable. What else could I use in the car? If I turned on noise reduction, despite what Dolby said, I could hear the high frequencies being chopped off. (Before that, 8-tracks didn't get any points form me, either. I mean, who would want a song fading off in the middle just so the track could change?!) Something was missing. So, I played my cassettes with no NR but equalized the hiss as much as possible. Of course, using CRO2 tapes were costly and economically prohibitive. Open reels were right behind vinyl, but I had that annoying hiss even if I recorded at 15 IPS. So, I was ecstatic when digital came along. I can also imagine the ecstasy radio stations felt when digital came along. Working in radio, I found the wow on the odd startup and cueing up records, etc. very laborious and mundane. CD's changed all that.

Today, there is no need to fast forward or rewind with instant access to any portion of the song or painless repeats. Hiss is hisstory! Portability is out of this world! Songs can be emailed to and from distant shores in seconds! No need to physically handle media anymore. No cleaning with multiple brushes or annoying static. No degradation of sound quality when copied. No misplacing the stylus off the outer edge of the record. I still feel romantic looking and handling records thinking of the Good Old Days. But, they remain in my library as beloved icons of an era when they served their purpose VERY well. Long love vinyl. But, I'll defer to digital.

Oh, I still love listening to my reel-ro-reel machine and dig watching those reels roll. biggrin.gif


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post Oct 27 2011, 22:59
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QUOTE (musicollector @ Oct 27 2011, 13:39) *
I still feel romantic looking and handling records thinking of the Good Old Days.


A Japanese company sells CDs that are miniature reproductions of the original LPs. But the real hipster marketing play would be to sell mockups of LPs together with the digital version. You'd read the sleeve, handle the disk with a fake groove, and think about the Good Old Days whilst listening to proper reproduction. And your collection could once more take up major wall-space.
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post Oct 28 2011, 10:16
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QUOTE (MichaelW @ Oct 27 2011, 23:59) *
But the real hipster marketing play would be to sell mockups of LPs together with the digital version. You'd read the sleeve, handle the disk with a fake groove, and think about the Good Old Days whilst listening to proper reproduction. And your collection could once more take up major wall-space.


Something like THIS? smile.gif
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QUOTE (Goratrix @ Oct 28 2011, 21:16) *
Something like THIS? smile.gif


Oh dear, 5" artwork. No, I'm afraid that would be the worst of both worlds. But I didn't know that modern vinyl came with the option of a digital download. The only question then is, why bother to cut a real groove in the LP?
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- ozmosis82   "Music Sounds Better on Vinyl"   Oct 13 2011, 17:56
- - dhromed   I don't mind vinyl lovers liking the physical ...   Oct 13 2011, 18:32
- - Canar   It's an opinion piece, nothing more. Music sou...   Oct 13 2011, 20:00
- - C.R.Helmrich   Indeed. An opinion of a person who grew up with vi...   Oct 13 2011, 20:12
- - DVDdoug   How did on opinion piece leak onto The Huffington ...   Oct 13 2011, 20:23
- - Brand   I think your rant is a bit out of place here. It...   Oct 13 2011, 21:29
|- - tawd   As she admits she is not aware of the technical as...   Oct 13 2011, 23:27
- - Cavaille   QUOTE And I'm not just talking about the way i...   Oct 14 2011, 01:28
- - polemon   I believe, that what she's referring to, is th...   Oct 14 2011, 02:08
|- - musicollector   QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 13 2011, 19:08) I be...   Oct 27 2011, 02:39
|- - MichaelW   QUOTE (musicollector @ Oct 27 2011, 13:39...   Oct 27 2011, 22:59
|- - Goratrix   QUOTE (MichaelW @ Oct 27 2011, 23:59) But...   Oct 28 2011, 10:16
||- - PoisonDan   That's actually quite cool. Not really useful,...   Oct 28 2011, 11:38
||- - MichaelW   QUOTE (Goratrix @ Oct 28 2011, 21:16) Som...   Oct 28 2011, 21:51
|- - musicollector   QUOTE (MichaelW @ Oct 27 2011, 15:59) QUO...   Oct 28 2011, 18:34
|- - musicollector   QUOTE (MichaelW @ Oct 27 2011, 15:59) QUO...   Oct 29 2011, 04:14
- - Woodinville   It would be nice if the author didn't deify he...   Oct 14 2011, 02:15
- - testyou   She's just an older person with nostalgia for ...   Oct 14 2011, 03:16
- - andy o   Sheesh, if that's your beef with the FluffPo, ...   Oct 14 2011, 04:34
- - IgorC   Vinyl was my first experience with music when I wa...   Oct 14 2011, 04:51
- - hellokeith   How much work has been done on vinyl simulation? ...   Oct 14 2011, 06:33
- - FreaqyFrequency   http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/ If y...   Oct 14 2011, 07:00
|- - Glenn Gundlach   QUOTE (FreaqyFrequency @ Oct 13 2011, 22...   Oct 14 2011, 19:04
- - polemon   This might me slightly off-topic, but I'm wond...   Oct 14 2011, 10:58
|- - mixminus1   QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 14 2011, 02:58) This...   Oct 14 2011, 17:25
|- - polemon   QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Oct 14 2011, 18:25) It...   Oct 15 2011, 01:24
- - dhromed   Assuming the cutting process is flawless, you can ...   Oct 14 2011, 11:07
- - FreaqyFrequency   http://soundcloud.com/theastralobservatory...-gain...   Oct 14 2011, 18:42
- - db1989   Surely, if they were really good, they could make ...   Oct 27 2011, 23:18
- - kraut   Most newly released LPs contain a link for a digit...   Oct 28 2011, 02:03
- - Juha   What 'bout sound of DBX 'coded' vinyls...   Oct 28 2011, 14:28
- - Remedial Sound   Here's another golden nugget from a reviewer a...   Oct 28 2011, 17:20
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE What 'bout sound of DBX 'coded' ...   Oct 28 2011, 17:50
|- - musicollector   QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Oct 28 2011, 10:50) QUOT...   Oct 29 2011, 04:10
- - Raptus   It is a matter of aesthetics and not (how laymen o...   Oct 28 2011, 19:37
- - db1989   QUOTE The only question then is, why bother to cut...   Oct 28 2011, 22:03
- - d_headshot   New music on both vinyl and digital sounds terribl...   Oct 29 2011, 01:06
|- - Brod   QUOTE (d_headshot @ Oct 29 2011, 08:06) N...   Feb 9 2012, 05:08
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Brod @ Feb 8 2012, 20:08) Hell, ev...   Feb 9 2012, 06:24
|- - Brod   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 9 2012, 13:24) ...in...   Feb 9 2012, 17:38
|- - skamp   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 9 2012, 06:24) QUOTE...   Feb 10 2012, 15:19
- - ron spencer   doesn't this depend on the mastering? Everybo...   Oct 29 2011, 16:06
|- - musicollector   QUOTE (ron spencer @ Oct 29 2011, 09:06) ...   Oct 29 2011, 21:52
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE Something like This? smile.gif That's J...   Oct 29 2011, 21:26
- - smpltn   It's all about the mastering at the time vinyl...   Oct 29 2011, 22:37
- - mixminus1   It all depends on the choices made by the artists/...   Oct 30 2011, 07:11
- - ron spencer   That's the rub then...one needs to know how th...   Oct 30 2011, 15:38
- - pdq   They probably think that people who buy vinyl are ...   Oct 31 2011, 01:44
- - liffy99   It's not the medium, it's the actual recor...   Oct 31 2011, 10:05
- - pdq   Actually the loudness button did something quite d...   Oct 31 2011, 14:34
|- - liffy99   QUOTE (pdq @ Oct 31 2011, 13:34) Actually...   Oct 31 2011, 19:29
|- - pdq   QUOTE (liffy99 @ Oct 31 2011, 14:29) Well...   Oct 31 2011, 19:56
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (liffy99 @ Oct 31 2011, 14:29) QUOT...   Oct 31 2011, 20:56
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- - 4sure   When CDs first arrived, people often complaint abo...   Nov 1 2011, 05:36
|- - kraut   QUOTE people often complaint about their harsh sou...   Nov 1 2011, 06:51
- - mixminus1   Yes - for the past 25 years or so, the "audio...   Nov 1 2011, 14:28
- - Roseval   Vinyl sounds superior by design. First step is to ...   Feb 9 2012, 18:30
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|- - Canar   QUOTE (Brod @ Feb 9 2012, 23:44) The defe...   Feb 10 2012, 08:55
|- - Paulhoff   QUOTE (Brod @ Feb 10 2012, 03:44) The def...   Feb 10 2012, 15:04
- - Bartholomew MacGruber   I've heard various arguments about vinyl being...   Feb 10 2012, 15:33
|- - julf   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Feb 10 2012, 1...   Feb 10 2012, 16:41
|- - andy o   QUOTE (julf @ Feb 10 2012, 07:41) QUOTE (...   Feb 11 2012, 17:39
|- - julf   Why do you think it is misguided? Of course, you c...   Feb 11 2012, 18:37
- - pdq   If you don't change the volume setting while y...   Feb 10 2012, 16:03
|- - Paulhoff   QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 10 2012, 11:03) If you d...   Feb 10 2012, 16:30
- - Paulhoff   With using dither, the dynamic range can be increa...   Feb 10 2012, 17:02
- - k00zk0   A lot of people definitely like noise, and I'd...   Feb 11 2012, 14:02
- - dumdidum   QUOTE (k00zk0 @ Feb 11 2012, 14:02) For a...   Feb 11 2012, 14:15
- - pdq   I'm not sure that I would call it misguided ei...   Feb 11 2012, 20:49
|- - julf   QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 11 2012, 20:49) When the...   Feb 11 2012, 21:37
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|- - julf   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 11 2012, 21:40) The ...   Feb 11 2012, 22:02
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (julf @ Feb 11 2012, 16:02) QUOTE (...   Feb 11 2012, 22:40
|- - julf   QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 11 2012, 22:40) La...   Feb 11 2012, 22:44
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