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Steve Jobs Passes Away
kwanbis
post Oct 6 2011, 19:35
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I'm sure everybody know by know, but yesterday, after struggling with cancer for years, at the age of 56(!) Steve Jobs passed away.

He was the person that made the iPods ubiquitous, and with them, the AAC format.

http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/

I would surely miss him.

RIP/QEPD.


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post Oct 15 2011, 16:11
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QUOTE (sthayashi @ Oct 15 2011, 07:35) *
I find it mildly amusing that people are criticizing Steve Jobs for his lack of philanthropy or the Foxconn factory conditions. The reason he is being talked about is that his work has had a direct influence on first world culture in such a way that it is difficult to imagine what it would be like without it. And that is a rare thing to say about any individual.
As greynol wrote: Steve Jobs was a capitalistic business man. The last thing i would do is to claim about a lack of philanthropy. From the point of view of a business man there is no reason to have problems with the situation in FoxxConn: it is part of business to let worker work as long as possible and as cheap as possible. In that sense: he was a good businees man - good for apple, bad for the people in china, but not as bad as not being useful for the world market at all and starving from hunger. What a cynical economy system where exploitation is the condition to survive! Before a simple idea get some influence on "first world culture" (!) it has to be brought under a huge group of "first world people" that automatically means that they must be able to afford the products which is a matter of price which in turn has to be low. It is strange how people can think that having some ideas is a greater deed than having the worldwide power of a big company that has nothing to do with culture. It might be that you can't imagine what the world would be without the cultural influence of apple products - i however can imagine what the world could be if digital technology would not be on duty of profit. But for you that is probably a different topic.

(Sorry, my english is by far not good enough for such an earnest topic)


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post Oct 16 2011, 08:24
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QUOTE (q-stankovic @ Oct 15 2011, 11:11) *
It is strange how people can think that having some ideas is a greater deed than having the worldwide power of a big company that has nothing to do with culture. It might be that you can't imagine what the world would be without the cultural influence of apple products - i however can imagine what the world could be if digital technology would not be on duty of profit.

It really is a tangent from the topic, which is Steve Jobs. It has been argued, and I tend to agree, that the most powerful thing in this world is an idea. That doesn't mean that all ideas are powerful, but there have been several that have affected human life more than we can imagine. In fact, I would argue that many of the famous scientists in history are known because of their "ideas."

It is very easy to point to Apple, and Steve Jobs, and question the business decisions that caused such problems. And the fact is, you're right. Enabling a company to abuse its workers is despicable. But the frightening part is that Apple is just one of many. Nearly all of the electronics you get and use are manufactured by some company in China. And who knows how well they treat their workers. The fact that Apple was one of their clients probably shed more light onto the problem than anything else.

Allow me to put it into a different perspective. Do you think that Jeff Bezos, the CEO of Amazon, is equally to blame for these problems? Hint: Guess who manufactures the Kindle?

In short, the most of criticisms that people are making about Steve Jobs in relation to China, are really a symptom of a far bigger underlying problem that goes beyond the scope of what Steve Jobs has done.

Don't accuse me of not being able to imagine a world without the influence of Apple products, I have lived in that world once upon a time. But much has changed since then, and there are millions of people working and living differently because of Apple's existence. That is the mark of revolutionizing an industry or two. Ask a musician some time if iTunes has changed the way they try to do business. Ask a salesperson if the iPhone changed the way they work.
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post Oct 17 2011, 18:07
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QUOTE (sthayashi @ Oct 16 2011, 00:24) *
Allow me to put it into a different perspective. Do you think that Jeff Bezos, the CEO of Amazon, is equally to blame for these problems?

So this is now a contest?

If Jeff Bezos is placed on a pedestal and worshiped like a god I will be there to say the same thing.

QUOTE (sthayashi @ Oct 16 2011, 00:24) *
In short, the most of criticisms that people are making about Steve Jobs in relation to China, are really a symptom of a far bigger underlying problem that goes beyond the scope of what Steve Jobs has done.

Conveniently ignoring this problem in order to talk about what a great person he was helps to solve this problem how?

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post Oct 18 2011, 05:32
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Greynol, I never said or intended it to be a "contest". The point is that a full list of people who are just as responsible as Steve Jobs reads like a who's who list of the electronics industry.

QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 17 2011, 13:07) *
QUOTE (sthayashi @ Oct 16 2011, 00:24) *
In short, the most of criticisms that people are making about Steve Jobs in relation to China, are really a symptom of a far bigger underlying problem that goes beyond the scope of what Steve Jobs has done.

Conveniently ignoring this problem in order to talk about what a great person he was helps to solve this problem how?


It doesn't solve the problem one bit. It's usually considered a courtesy and kindness to not speak ill of the recently deceased.
Plus, it just seems like an asshole thing to bring up. When I die, I wouldn't want someone to say "Don't forget that most of his possessions supported poor worker conditions in China."
It's probably a true statement, but it says very little about what I've done and how I've lived.
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Posts in this topic
- kwanbis   Steve Jobs Passes Away   Oct 6 2011, 19:35
- - seVen   Stay hungry, stay foolish... Goodbye, Steve.   Oct 6 2011, 19:49
- - mudlord   I don't see the big deal. some famous person d...   Oct 6 2011, 21:24
- - Northpack   Every day important and merited people die - most ...   Oct 6 2011, 21:36
- - pdq   Sure important people die all the time, but how ma...   Oct 6 2011, 21:56
- - Northpack   Steve Jobs was a manager. He lead a company that d...   Oct 6 2011, 22:27
- - Destroid   Agree with Northpack, the head-figure thing and th...   Oct 6 2011, 22:42
- - q-stankovic   I want to add one point to northpacks comment: be...   Oct 8 2011, 23:43
- - db1989   Yep, Apple were no different (absurd working condi...   Oct 10 2011, 20:06
- - greynol   Apple could have kept much of their production in ...   Oct 11 2011, 10:30
- - sthayashi   I'll preface this post by saying that I have n...   Oct 15 2011, 06:35
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (sthayashi @ Oct 15 2011, 07:35) I ...   Oct 15 2011, 16:11
|- - sthayashi   QUOTE (q-stankovic @ Oct 15 2011, 11...   Oct 16 2011, 08:24
|- - greynol   QUOTE (sthayashi @ Oct 16 2011, 00:24) Al...   Oct 17 2011, 18:07
|- - sthayashi   Greynol, I never said or intended it to be a ...   Oct 18 2011, 05:32
- - greynol   I am being a discourteous and unkind asshole; so b...   Oct 18 2011, 20:05
- - IgorC   I won't be a guy who will talk bad about Steve...   Oct 23 2011, 19:49
- - kraut   QUOTE It's usually considered a courtesy and k...   Oct 25 2011, 08:46
- - polemon   It kinda kicked me in the guts, when I learned abo...   Oct 27 2011, 05:32


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