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New Standard: USAC, sussesor of (HE)-AAC
IgorC
post Sep 16 2011, 06:09
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It's a new standard (Unified Speech and Audio Coding USAC, aka MPEG-D part 3).
It has reached a status of Final Draft International Standard.

Basic information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Speech_and_Audio_Coding
There are some papers about new compression schemes in internet.

There was a verification test where USAC was compared to HE-AAC v1/v2 on range of bitrates 8-96 kbps. http://mpeg.chiariglione.org/meetings/tori...orino_press.htm
The report should be available in September October.

Some anonymous source has indicated that USAC was clearly superior to HE-AAC and it did very good on speech though something like "USAC at 48 kpbs = HE-AAC at 64 kbps" shouldn't be expected. It's more like 20-25% of bitrate gain at 20-32 kbps and 10-12% at 64 kbps. That's still pretty good.

There is no information if USAC will be used at higher bitrates as ( LC-AAC's area). The core coder of USAC includes a new enhanced SBR (eSBR).
Both SBR and new eSBR have no advantage over LC-AAC at bitrates higher than 80 kbps. Its unclear if eSBR can be disabled at higher bitrates.


It will be interesting to hear opinions and if somebody knows something more about it.
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FreaqyFrequency
post Oct 13 2011, 16:00
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@polemon, you're familiar with Opus, I assume? Without derailing the thread, I'd be curious to see USAC and Opus put to the test when the bitstreams freeze, and the encoders become available. The licensing aspect of USAC (and AAC, and MP3 before it) is of course always an issue for commercial usage, but dealing purely with quality/transparency for equivalent kbps seems to be a more fair way to judge their respective value, for consumers at least.


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post Oct 13 2011, 18:32
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Well, I don't want to be an evangelist of any kind, but I believe, that sooner or later all kinds of multimedia material will be detached from the physical media. Once that is the case, it only makes sense to use the best encoders available. Right now, this is arguably using AVC/AAC. If I want to make a video, I would use the best encoder available to me, but the situation right now, leaves me with using sub-par AAC encoders on Linux. I could work-around those problems, with WINE or a virtualized Windows, but it's this extra work that let's me sigh whenever I need to do it. Which is kinda pitiful.

I'm just saying, that even though this should be all exciting and fun, it is quite a lot of extra work to be done, for an otherwise trivial task. I use NeroAAC for AAC, and x264 for video. and then muxing the two together. I can't just use a tool like ffmpeg to do all that in one sweep. That's a big boo, don't you think? When I want to use qtaacenc, I need to make it under Windows (using WINE for it sucks). Using a virtual machine with a shared folder helps a lot, but still, it's quite a complicated setup for just making a video.


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- IgorC   New Standard: USAC   Sep 16 2011, 06:09
- - IgorC   USAC verification test report   Oct 12 2011, 19:57
- - C.R.Helmrich   Thanks for posting that link, Igor! I've a...   Oct 12 2011, 21:49
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 12 2011, 17:49)...   Oct 13 2011, 02:53
- - FreaqyFrequency   Cool stuff! Always exciting to see the prospe...   Oct 13 2011, 01:53
|- - Speckmade   QUOTE (FreaqyFrequency @ Oct 13 2011, 02...   Jul 12 2012, 18:52
|- - Canar   QUOTE (Speckmade @ Jul 12 2012, 10:52) On...   Jul 12 2012, 19:00
- - polemon   For me, as a Linux user, developer of embedded sys...   Oct 13 2011, 15:34
|- - C.R.Helmrich   QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 13 2011, 16:34) I re...   Oct 13 2011, 20:40
|- - polemon   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich) Well, (HE-)AAC is used in DAB...   Oct 13 2011, 22:23
||- - C.R.Helmrich   QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 13 2011, 23:23) The ...   Oct 14 2011, 20:35
||- - Garf   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 14 2011, 21:35)...   Oct 15 2011, 15:15
|- - Garf   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 13 2011, 21:40)...   Oct 14 2011, 07:04
|- - Speckmade   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 13 2011, 21:40)...   Jul 12 2012, 21:11
|- - Garf   QUOTE (Speckmade @ Jul 12 2012, 22:11) Be...   Jul 12 2012, 22:16
- - FreaqyFrequency   @polemon, you're familiar with Opus, I assume?...   Oct 13 2011, 16:00
|- - polemon   Well, I don't want to be an evangelist of any ...   Oct 13 2011, 18:32
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (FreaqyFrequency @ Oct 13 2011, 12...   Oct 13 2011, 22:35
- - smok3   polemon, interesting, but if you wanna do it ...   Oct 13 2011, 19:35
- - hlloyge   Problem with Linux isn't finding encoders for ...   Oct 13 2011, 20:58
|- - C.R.Helmrich   Well, USAC is just that: a general purpose codec. ...   Oct 13 2011, 21:25
- - IgorC   Nice, It will be great to see an implementation ...   Oct 13 2011, 21:30
|- - ksuman   QUOTE (IgorC @ Oct 13 2011, 21:30) Nice, ...   May 16 2012, 06:26
- - smok3   QUOTE your Linux distributor of choice licenses a ...   Oct 14 2011, 20:51
|- - Garf   QUOTE (smok3 @ Oct 14 2011, 21:51) - to p...   Oct 15 2011, 15:22
- - smok3   i meant paying (or just allowing closed binaries) ...   Oct 15 2011, 19:58
- - IgorC   Reference software http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc2...   Jun 3 2012, 17:55
|- - Garf   QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 3 2012, 18:55) Referen...   Aug 3 2012, 16:07
|- - C.R.Helmrich   QUOTE (Garf @ Aug 3 2012, 17:07) In true ...   Aug 3 2012, 16:36
|- - Garf   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Aug 3 2012, 17:36) ...   Aug 3 2012, 17:04
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Aug 3 2012, 12:36) ...   Aug 3 2012, 17:30
- - pdq   I think you will find that no matter how many time...   Jul 12 2012, 19:13
- - benski   One thing that's curious about USAC. Much of ...   Jul 12 2012, 20:29
- - IgorC   Maybe it's this particular encoder. Because ...   Aug 3 2012, 17:02
|- - C.R.Helmrich   QUOTE (IgorC @ Aug 3 2012, 18:02) Because...   Aug 3 2012, 20:08
- - darkbyte   Is there any encoder/decoder available in binary f...   Oct 17 2013, 22:02


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