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markanini
post Apr 12 2013, 04:34
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A new contender? http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/virtual-studio.html
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post Apr 12 2013, 11:55
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I find the effects to sound quite realistic (especially the live venue) but too strong for use as a replacement crossfeed for regular headphone listening. I think I'll stick with Head-fit-lite for now.
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post Apr 12 2013, 13:33
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QUOTE (Propheticus @ Apr 12 2013, 10:55) *
I find the effects to sound quite realistic (especially the live venue) but too strong for use as a replacement crossfeed for regular headphone listening. I think I'll stick with Head-fit-lite for now.


Head-fi lite doesn't work properly for me with foobar and vst adapter (problem of displayed interface).
Regarding "strength", you can decrease it for any crossfeed, and in this case you use ILD low and ILD high (you move sliders to left).
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post Apr 12 2013, 14:30
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This* is not a crossfeed however, it is a room virtualizer (more like dolby headphone). It does not offer ILD and ITD controls. Head-fit-lite works, albeit a bit buggy. You have to enable and then disable the EQ setup button to get rid of the EQ ui buttons that otherwise lay on top of the crossfeed buttons (only works while playing music).

*; I was replying directly to markanini who linked to the Beyerdynamic virtual studio.

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post Apr 12 2013, 20:58
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QUOTE (Propheticus @ Apr 12 2013, 13:30) *
You have to enable and then disable the EQ setup button to get rid of the EQ ui buttons that otherwise lay on top of the crossfeed buttons (only works while playing music).

Oh great , just managed to make it work.


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*; I was replying directly to markanini who linked to the Beyerdynamic virtual studio.

Sorry if I misread you, using quote prevent such confusion.

Just tried that Beyer Virtual Studio. I like that you can run it without much fuss.
I find it reduce fidelity , but fatigue too.
I just can stand recently the wide stereo separation of my hd800 (unless it's that mid bass hitting too hard too).
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post Feb 7 2014, 03:12
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Xnor you're awesome!

This plugin is brilliant! Thank you!
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post Aug 3 2014, 21:24
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I wanted to post a comment much sooner, but was finally pushed to do so by today's short conversation in bs2b component thread with reference to new crossfeed component by Case, which I didn't know about, but have tried it already.
As just a user, i don't know the rules or requirements needed to list a component on main fb2k site, if it is on creator's decision or not. Current status with crossfeed plugins is rather mess, all of them have basically the same purpose, but are listed under different tags or are located just somewhere in the HA forum. I mean the user "darkflame" is proof of that, if he didn't know about your component (update: he tried it smile.gif). I apologize if it isn't this case, but anyway I didn't know about Case's crossfeed component. It'd be good to list them all under same tag, "headphones" or "crossfeed" or another.

It is big shame the components are scattered there and there and that your component isn't listed on fb2k site, as it is, because of its design, on completely different level, imho. Don't get me wrong everybody, i highly appreciate every effort and this isn't criticism of other crossfeed components available, it is just my personal comparison between them.

We had a conversation at the beginning of this thread, so i don't want to repeat myself. The reason of this post is a request related to the only thing i miss in your component, some kind of room designer, such as we know from TB Isone and which would certainly push the feeling even much further. I think the current base of this component is so good (very similar to TB Isone), that it directly calls after such refinement. I use it more that 2,5 years and can't imagine to listen without it. Overall feeling can be very slightly improved with sensitively adjusted mudlord's freeverb component, but it isn't the right solution. I agree with you, that HRTF designer from TB Isone isn't critical part to achieve the right listening feeling and can be understood as optional extension on top of crossfeed and room designer. Reverb time can be supplied by existing plugins, but only room designer (speaker distance, room size, early reflections, diffusion, reverb time) would move listener from anechoic chamber to real-like environment.

I don't know your further plans (if any) with this component, but kind of room designer would be perfect addition to it.

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post Aug 23 2014, 10:54
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I'm going to give this a try today, and am trying to work out the best settings for my head size. My maths skills are appalling... wink.gif

My head diameter is .15 or .16 meters (as close as my wife could measure it, it's a difficult measurement to do!), and I am used to having my speakers at 60 degrees in my studio. Can you give me the best measurements to use with the FB2K component? I get confused trying to work out the degrees, as your previous example is 30 degrees and not 60. Can I just halve 0.524 to arrive at 0.262?

Headphones are Sennhesier HD600s fed by a Crookwood DAC and headphone amp.

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post Aug 23 2014, 12:23
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d = 0.15/(2*343) * (1.0472 + sin(1.0472)) = 418us
with 0.16 => 446us

But are your speakers really located at +/- 60°, spanning an angle of 120°?

Also remember that this is only a ballpark figure.

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post Aug 23 2014, 16:29
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Thank you, I will certainly give those settings a try!

I think the standard set up for near field studio monitors is with a 60 degree angle (an equilateral triangle with a narrow sweet spot). I believe in home theatre they prefer to use 30 degrees for a wider sweet spot? So yeah, basically the monitors are at 60 degrees with me in the middle. Does that make sense? Like this:



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post Aug 23 2014, 17:45
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Yes that is +/- 30° or spanning 60° between the speakers. So 224us with 0.15m.


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post Aug 24 2014, 10:41
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Ah OK, thanks! Had good results with it last night.


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