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Public AAC Listening Test @ ~96 kbps [July 2011]: Results, Results and post-test discussion
IgorC
post Aug 23 2011, 19:56
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After the long time of preparations, discussions and realization of the test the results are finally here.

http://listening-tests.hydrogenaudio.org/i...-a/results.html

Summary: Apple won, FhG is the second, Coding Technologies is the third and Nero is the last

I appreciate all people who has supported the test and participated in it.

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Gecko
post Aug 26 2011, 10:28
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Thank you IgorC and Garf for answering my questions!

In the output of bootstrap, is there any semantic difference between "a is better than b" and "b is worse than a"?

During the test I had the feeling that one (regular) sample was often worse and one often a tad better. Only the former assumption seems to be backed by my data (using the adjusted p-values): ffmpeg < Nero < All other

Given the high level of quality, I'm surprised that such a strong ranking could be established. I would have expected more ties.
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post Aug 26 2011, 11:20
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QUOTE (Gecko @ Aug 26 2011, 06:28) *
Given the high level of quality, I'm surprised that such a strong ranking could be established. I would have expected more ties.

That's actually how bootstraps works.
While it's the same for chunky if one particular sample has 1 or 100 results. It will throw away all particular data and will work only with average score per samples (only 20 average scores. Because there were 20 samples)

Bootstrap in change performs analysis on whole set of data (280 results for this test.) That permits to get more important statistical differences.
Literally every single result is useful.

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- IgorC   Public AAC Listening Test @ ~96 kbps [July 2011]: Results   Aug 23 2011, 19:56
- - benski   It would be interesting to do a rank-sum analysis ...   Aug 23 2011, 20:18
|- - Garf   QUOTE (benski @ Aug 23 2011, 21:18) It wo...   Aug 23 2011, 20:27
||- - benski   QUOTE (Garf @ Aug 23 2011, 15:27) QUOTE (...   Aug 23 2011, 20:54
||- - Garf   QUOTE (benski @ Aug 23 2011, 21:54) The F...   Aug 23 2011, 21:11
|- - C.R.Helmrich   QUOTE (benski @ Aug 23 2011, 21:18) ... w...   Aug 23 2011, 20:42
||- - Garf   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Aug 23 2011, 21:42)...   Aug 23 2011, 20:47
|||- - lvqcl   QUOTE (Garf @ Aug 23 2011, 23:47) Basical...   Aug 27 2011, 20:22
|||- - no404error   QUOTE (lvqcl @ Aug 27 2011, 22:22) CVBR, ...   Sep 4 2011, 04:01
||- - benski   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Aug 23 2011, 15:42)...   Aug 23 2011, 20:52
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (benski @ Aug 23 2011, 16:18) It wo...   Aug 23 2011, 21:01
|- - benski   QUOTE (IgorC @ Aug 23 2011, 16:01) QUOTE ...   Aug 23 2011, 21:07
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (benski @ Aug 23 2011, 17:07) Actua...   Aug 23 2011, 21:11
- - IgorC   I should also mention that I've participated i...   Aug 23 2011, 21:30
- - zima   Maybe there could be a legend for X-axis, the abbr...   Aug 23 2011, 21:37
- - lvqcl   It is interesting that QT tvbr and cvbr encoded fi...   Aug 23 2011, 22:05
- - IgorC   zima, will fix it later. QUOTE (lvqcl @ Au...   Aug 23 2011, 22:11
- - Alexxander   Thanks to all who participated in this test and to...   Aug 23 2011, 22:31
|- - Garf   QUOTE (Alexxander @ Aug 23 2011, 23:31) I...   Aug 23 2011, 23:02
- - Dakeryas   Many thanks for the test ! Interesting to not...   Aug 23 2011, 23:11
- - IgorC   I've noticed that previous version of Nero 1.0...   Aug 23 2011, 23:51
- - Gornot   To be perfectly honest, I am surprised that FhG di...   Aug 24 2011, 00:29
- - /mnt   Interesting results, I gotta see if the pre-echo h...   Aug 24 2011, 01:23
- - kennedyb4   If it is fair to say that many of the samples were...   Aug 24 2011, 01:42
- - Sebastian Mares   It appears to me that the low anchor was way too b...   Aug 24 2011, 07:29
|- - Garf   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Aug 24 2011, 08...   Aug 24 2011, 09:35
|- - Nezmer   QUOTE (Garf @ Aug 24 2011, 10:35) Probabl...   Aug 24 2011, 11:35
|- - Garf   QUOTE (Nezmer @ Aug 24 2011, 12:35) QUOTE...   Aug 24 2011, 12:46
|- - Nezmer   QUOTE (Garf @ Aug 24 2011, 13:46) QUOTE (...   Aug 24 2011, 18:26
- - greynol   I was wondering the same thing.   Aug 24 2011, 07:49
- - C.R.Helmrich   Some bit-rate statistics which were presented in p...   Aug 24 2011, 18:27
|- - Garf   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Aug 24 2011, 19:27)...   Aug 25 2011, 07:29
- - Zarggg   Just looking for a quick verification on whether I...   Aug 25 2011, 18:06
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (Zarggg @ Aug 25 2011, 14:06) Am I ...   Aug 25 2011, 18:28
- - greynol   CVBR and TVBR are statistically tied. One did not...   Aug 25 2011, 18:12
|- - Zarggg   QUOTE (greynol @ Aug 25 2011, 13:12) CVBR...   Aug 25 2011, 22:47
|- - Garf   QUOTE (greynol @ Aug 25 2011, 19:12) CVBR...   Aug 26 2011, 07:20
- - greynol   That assumes facts not in evidence.   Aug 25 2011, 19:04
- - Gecko   First, thank you IgorC and everyone involved! ...   Aug 25 2011, 20:24
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (Gecko @ Aug 25 2011, 16:24) First,...   Aug 26 2011, 03:30
||- - mjb2006   QUOTE (IgorC @ Aug 25 2011, 20:30) I do n...   Aug 26 2011, 05:18
||- - IgorC   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Aug 26 2011, 01:18) Anyw...   Aug 26 2011, 05:24
|- - Garf   QUOTE (Gecko @ Aug 25 2011, 21:24) a) Do ...   Aug 26 2011, 07:16
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (Garf @ Aug 26 2011, 03:16) Always ...   Aug 26 2011, 08:51
- - mjb2006   Even though I sent in results, they didn't get...   Aug 25 2011, 22:50
- - Gecko   Thank you IgorC and Garf for answering my question...   Aug 26 2011, 10:28
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (Gecko @ Aug 26 2011, 06:28) Given ...   Aug 26 2011, 11:20
||- - Garf   QUOTE (IgorC @ Aug 26 2011, 12:20) QUOTE ...   Aug 27 2011, 17:48
|- - Garf   QUOTE (Gecko @ Aug 26 2011, 11:28) In the...   Aug 27 2011, 17:39
- - IgorC   I found the first and the last graphs to be partic...   Aug 27 2011, 21:46
|- - lvqcl   QUOTE (IgorC @ Aug 28 2011, 00:46) I thin...   Aug 27 2011, 22:20
- - IgorC   Yeah   Aug 27 2011, 22:39
- - IgorC   BTW if someone want to organize the next public te...   Oct 1 2011, 20:21
- - jukkap   How about 48kbps HE AAC ? Or low bitrate multiform...   Oct 1 2011, 20:49
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (jukkap @ Oct 1 2011, 16:49) How ab...   Oct 10 2011, 23:17
|- - jukkap   QUOTE (IgorC @ Oct 10 2011, 23:17) The la...   Oct 20 2011, 10:04
- - IgorC   Well, the last time we have tested LC-AAC encoders...   Oct 1 2011, 21:58
- - jukkap   QUOTE (IgorC @ Oct 1 2011, 22:58) Can You...   Oct 2 2011, 05:10
- - IgorC   Late but still here. Some participants have answ...   Oct 23 2011, 07:14


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