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AudioSAFE, New online backup concept
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post Jul 26 2011, 23:04
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Sorry, I missed that.
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post Jul 27 2011, 04:29
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What is to stop a bored bittorrent kiddie from just endlessly uploading music (with no future aspirations of ever "restoring")?
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post Jul 27 2011, 05:25
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What would be the point of that, especially if it cost money to get music back?
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post Jul 27 2011, 09:03
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Will the audiosafe client monitor your music collection for changes and automatically pick-up and synchronise those changes?


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post Jul 27 2011, 09:11
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Yes, it runs in the background.


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post Jul 27 2011, 10:15
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Can it run as a 'portable' program (no installation, no registry etc.)?
If not, that would be my feature request.
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post Jul 27 2011, 10:22
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Sorry that will not be possible. The design is install and forget, 99% of the time you would not even know it is there (save for an icon on the notify area).


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post Jul 27 2011, 11:48
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Is that model not dangerous for a backup program? Or is there a way to restore from a prior state?

I've only lost data due to a hard drive failure once since 1982, but have lost data three times due to bad RAM. The most recent time was a few years back while replaygaining many albums (unbeknownst to be with a bad memory stick). Long story short, about 10% of the files in that batch operation ended up corrupted and needed reripped.

If the audiosafe client monitor had been running in the background, monitoring and uploading, would it have updated my (corrupt) changes? Would I be able to restore from the good point before said changes?


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post Jul 27 2011, 12:00
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Current + Previous are stored, so a virus which corrupts the whole collection would be recoverable, even if those corrupted changes were uploaded.


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post Jul 27 2011, 12:25
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I'm very interested in this service. If the pricing is sensible it'll be something I can see myself using.

Good luck with this spoon.


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post Jul 27 2011, 12:31
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Isn't this susceptible to client reverse-engineering? If someone reverse-engineered the protocol, couldn't they mirror whatever music already on the server into their account without uploading anything?


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post Jul 27 2011, 12:38
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The server will not give out audio except that which is attributed to your account, no reverse engineering will help that. Pretty much like how funds in your bank are not easily transferred into another account, it is not in the interest of AudioSafe to allow this, or the banks.

Lets not for one minute think every designed system is impenetrable, but in this instance I think there is little incentive to do so, as the restore would be paid for.



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post Jul 27 2011, 18:06
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QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 27 2011, 07:00) *
Current + Previous are stored, so a virus which corrupts the whole collection would be recoverable, even if those corrupted changes were uploaded.

Thank you for the response. I assume that means just the immediately prior state is saved, no manual restore points?

Let me lay out what I think is a quite plausible scenario:
1 - Client installed
2 - Uncorrupted files added to collection
3 - Client syncs to safe
4 - Damage occurs (through user stupidity or malicious software or hardware failure)
5 - Client automagically syncs (unbeknownst to it) damaged files to safe.
6 - User edits tags.
7 - Client automagically syncs to safe.

So if a user notices damage after #5 they are protected, but if they don't notice damage until after #7 they are out of luck?


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post Jul 27 2011, 20:06
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QUOTE (Soap @ Jul 27 2011, 13:06) *
QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 27 2011, 07:00) *
Current + Previous are stored, so a virus which corrupts the whole collection would be recoverable, even if those corrupted changes were uploaded.

Thank you for the response. I assume that means just the immediately prior state is saved, no manual restore points?



If it syncs more or less continuously then one change back wouldn't make much sense. If one operation (from the user's point of view) changes 10 files, that could count as 10 states.

I would hope that "previous" means any previous state for some reasonable amount of time (or maybe since creation of the initial backup.)

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post Jul 28 2011, 03:12
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QUOTE (DonP @ Jul 27 2011, 15:06) *
If it syncs more or less continuously then one change back wouldn't make much sense. If one operation (from the user's point of view) changes 10 files, that could count as 10 states.

I would hope that "previous" means any previous state for some reasonable amount of time (or maybe since creation of the initial backup.)

I'm assuming "previous" is a concept unique to each file. If one operation (from the user's point of view) changes 10 files I'm assuming that counts as 1 state change x 10 files, not as 10 state changes.


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post Jul 31 2011, 09:59
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QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 23 2011, 08:23) *
Album art is not part of the 500 MB quota.

I will endeavor to put up a T&C and privacy statement ASAP


And when will this be done? I am dying to see your clauses for harvesting user information.
Steam does it, iTunes does it, a lot of other places do it, so I don't see how your "cloud" based service will be any different to be quite honest. dry.gif
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post Aug 3 2011, 14:25
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AudioSafe beta program has just begun and I've already started uploading my music archive.

My question is that AudioSafe skips valid MP3 files, showing these errors in its log:

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13:21:12 : Could not process file :
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Reason: Unexpected file contents.


Should I upload these "damaged" files somewhere so that you could fix your application?

Upload speed is abysmal: - yep, that's 38KB/sec (~300KBit/sec) upload speed.

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post Aug 3 2011, 14:38
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Feel free to use the uploads forum to upload problematic files, they will; your post will be removed as soon as relevant developers get the files.
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post Aug 3 2011, 14:41
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In the AudioSAFE Status page >> Tools >> settings - here you set how much bandwidth is allocated to AudioSAFE, normally 50% of your upload. What is your maximum upload speed?


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post Aug 3 2011, 14:42
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QUOTE (Peter @ Aug 3 2011, 19:38) *
Feel free to use the uploads forum to upload problematic files, they will; your post will be removed as soon as relevant developers get the files.


I guess I will upload them secretly and give a link straight to relevant people. Besides files are large enough and probably can't be uploaded to Hydrogenaudio Forums anyway (due to your restrictions/policy/whatever).
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post Aug 3 2011, 14:45
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QUOTE (spoon @ Aug 3 2011, 19:41) *
In the AudioSAFE Status page >> Tools >> settings - here you set how much bandwidth is allocated to AudioSAFE, normally 50% of your upload. What is your maximum upload speed?


10Mbit at the moment, and the the bandwidth slider is at 100%.

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post Aug 3 2011, 14:47
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QUOTE (birdie @ Aug 3 2011, 09:25) *
Upload speed is abysmal: - yep, that's 38KB/sec (~300KBit/sec) upload speed.


~300KBit/sec is a pretty typical upload speed for most broadband connections, unless you've upgraded to a faster (read more expensive) package.


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post Aug 3 2011, 14:50
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QUOTE (indybrett @ Aug 3 2011, 19:47) *
~300KBit/sec is a pretty typical upload speed for most broadband connections, unless you've upgraded to a faster (read more expensive) package.

Right now it's 10Mbit/sec. At night it's around 50Mbit/sec.
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post Aug 3 2011, 14:52
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QUOTE (birdie @ Aug 3 2011, 09:50) *
QUOTE (indybrett @ Aug 3 2011, 19:47) *
~300KBit/sec is a pretty typical upload speed for most broadband connections, unless you've upgraded to a faster (read more expensive) package.

Right now it's 10Mbit/sec. At night it's around 50Mbit/sec.

That's a substantial difference, lol.


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post Aug 3 2011, 14:56
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This site can test your maximum upload speed:

http://www.speedtest.net/


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