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Extract and Archive DTS 96/24
spodemaster
post Jun 3 2011, 06:25
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Just wondering if there is anyway to extract and archive the DTS 96/24 files. I spent Money buying myself A Refurbished Dennon DVD-A/SACD player and it doesn't Decode the DTS-96/24. And the multichannel playback is distorted so is basically useless.
None of my software seems to support the Format. It only plays back in 48kHz. I just got a PS3 and an Octava HDMI audio Stream extractor For my Pre HDMI Yamaha in hopes it would play back DVD-A and DTS-96/24 apparently it does neither.

I would like to get my Monies worth out of the BJORK surrounded Disks I purchased, and Megadeath Peace Sells, and Tori Amos, but so far no luck.
I really don't want to purchase a new piece of Hardware, Just to listen to a handful of Disks that are encoded in an Esoteric Short Lived Format.

eac3to Recognizes the Tracks as DTS 96/24 but apparently can only extract the 48kHz Core.

Is there a good way to access the Native DTS 96/24 and convert it to a multichannel Wave or Flac or to simply play these back without buying yet another piece of hardware?

Right now I listen to a lot of multichannel Flacs and waves on My RME HDSP Multiface using FOOBAR2000 and the ASIO plug in. Its pretty Satisfying but a little klunky.

Anyhow any help appreciated.

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krabapple
post Jun 4 2011, 19:15
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foobar2000 can output a multichannel ac3/dts bitstream over S/PDIF (or HDMI, if your soundcard has that option) to audio hardware that can decode them. To do this you need the foo_spdif plugin (and NOT foo_dts or some other conversion plugin) , and need to fiddle a bit with the output settings.

I like to tag my files, so after I have a .dts or .ac3 track in hand, I send it through audiomuxer to put a .wav wrapper around it, then compress it to .flac with tags.


Btw the 'extra' information in a DTS 96/24 track (compared to the core 48kHz track) is frequencies >20Khz. Do you really expect those to matter?

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post Jun 4 2011, 20:46
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QUOTE (krabapple @ Jun 4 2011, 20:15) *
foobar2000 can output a multichannel ac3/dts bitstream over S/PDIF (or HDMI, if your soundcard has that option) to audio hardware that can decode them. To do this you need the foo_spdif plugin (and NOT foo_dts or some other conversion plugin) , and need to fiddle a bit with the output settings.

I like to tag my files, so after I have a .dts or .ac3 track in hand, I send it through audiomuxer to put a .wav wrapper around it, then compress it to .flac with tags.


Btw the 'extra' information in a DTS 96/24 track (compared to the core 48kHz track) is frequencies >20Khz. Do you really expect those to matter?


I use the ASIO plugin on Fubar, it works pretty good, but needs some of the coding fixed. If I skip to a new track, that has a new sample rate, it gets confused and looses my channel assignments. So I have to reconfiger the ASIO routing. It doesn't do this if I use the time bar to fast forward.

To an extent they do matter If one can still hear in the 20kHz range. Last time I tested my self I can hear a 20kHz sine wave at sufficiently high levels, not that I find a 20kHz sine wave particularly pleasant to listen to.

It can be argued that if your transducsers are able to reproduce in the extended frequency ranges that there can be modulation from higher ranges interacting. But in practice most peoples systems can't and don't produce anything in that range, nor is there content captured for the most part.

My own personal (custom built) system is quite flat up to 20kHz, and actually has about 110dB headroom at 20Hz in half space.

My own personal impression of having the extended HF on a well mastered not heavilly maximized recording is theres a lot more openness in the high hats and percusive attack is much snappier.







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I think I would especially like to hear the full 96/24 Bjork it looks like the mastering engineers chose to avoid any maximizing on the tracks, looking at the 48kHz core waves.
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post Jun 5 2011, 01:09
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QUOTE (spodemaster @ Jun 4 2011, 12:46) *
My own personal impression of having the extended HF on a well mastered not heavilly maximized recording is theres a lot more openness in the high hats and percusive attack is much snappier.

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post Jun 5 2011, 03:15
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QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 5 2011, 01:09) *
QUOTE (spodemaster @ Jun 4 2011, 12:46) *
My own personal impression of having the extended HF on a well mastered not heavilly maximized recording is theres a lot more openness in the high hats and percusive attack is much snappier.

Please review our Terms of Service, to which you agreed to abide upon registering. What I have quoted is not compliant with #8.



Well I've had some trouble with Blind A/B/X My first attempt when SACD came out was to buy a copy of Beck Sea Change SACD, and The Redbook version. It was a futile comparison because the mastering was radically different on the SACD VS Redbook.

I Like the Stereo Mix Down of S'Wonderful and the Diana Crawl Look of Love DVD-A for a good exaple of extended highs on the high hat. I haven't done a dirrect AB with the redbook version but they are similar masters.

How about this I'll throw together some Tracks That should demonstrate or disproove the values of extended Frequency Response. I'll just Make 96kHz masters and down convert them to 48kHz. That way people can come to their own conclusions.
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post Jun 5 2011, 15:34
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QUOTE (spodemaster @ Jun 5 2011, 03:15) *
QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 5 2011, 01:09) *
QUOTE (spodemaster @ Jun 4 2011, 12:46) *
My own personal impression of having the extended HF on a well mastered not heavilly maximized recording is theres a lot more openness in the high hats and percusive attack is much snappier.
Please review our Terms of Service, to which you agreed to abide upon registering. What I have quoted is not compliant with #8.
Well I've had some trouble with Blind A/B/X My first attempt when SACD came out was to buy a copy of Beck Sea Change SACD, and The Redbook version. It was a futile comparison because the mastering was radically different on the SACD VS Redbook.

I Like the Stereo Mix Down of S'Wonderful and the Diana Crawl Look of Love DVD-A for a good exaple of extended highs on the high hat. I haven't done a dirrect AB with the redbook version but they are similar masters.

How about this I'll throw together some Tracks That should demonstrate or disproove the values of extended Frequency Response. I'll just Make 96kHz masters and down convert them to 48kHz. That way people can come to their own conclusions.
The rule requires evidence for your claims, rather than requiring that others verify them. Also, holy arbitrary capitalisation, Batman.
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post Jun 5 2011, 21:09
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QUOTE (dv1989 @ Jun 5 2011, 15:34) *
QUOTE (spodemaster @ Jun 5 2011, 03:15) *
QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 5 2011, 01:09) *
QUOTE (spodemaster @ Jun 4 2011, 12:46) *
My own personal impression of having the extended HF on a well mastered not heavilly maximized recording is theres a lot more openness in the high hats and percusive attack is much snappier.
Please review our Terms of Service, to which you agreed to abide upon registering. What I have quoted is not compliant with #8.
Well I've had some trouble with Blind A/B/X My first attempt when SACD came out was to buy a copy of Beck Sea Change SACD, and The Redbook version. It was a futile comparison because the mastering was radically different on the SACD VS Redbook.

I Like the Stereo Mix Down of S'Wonderful and the Diana Crawl Look of Love DVD-A for a good exaple of extended highs on the high hat. I haven't done a dirrect AB with the redbook version but they are similar masters.

How about this I'll throw together some Tracks That should demonstrate or disproove the values of extended Frequency Response. I'll just Make 96kHz masters and down convert them to 48kHz. That way people can come to their own conclusions.
The rule requires evidence for your claims, rather than requiring that others verify them. Also, holy arbitrary capitalisation, Batman.


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Well I made a repeatable test that can be confirmed by anyone that can still hear in the 17kHz range. It doesn't relate to percussives, but its this.
I generated a 25kHz signal which phase shifts 360degrees at a rate of 1Hz.

I used the 25kHz signal as the carrier and Amplitude Modulated it by 8.333kHz (25kHz is 3rd Harmonic).

This process resulted in only the side bands, then I summed the Carrier back into the signal.

The rusulting signal isn't much to listten to but Its much different soudning than when I convert the Wave to a 48kHz 16bit wav.

I'm not going to describe the differences so I don't tweek your expectations.

I'll post a torrent of the files a little bit later. This was all done using Adobe Audition, most of my listening was done on a pair of senheisser HD 280 PRO's. And a little bit on my living room speakers.

This is of course a highly contrived situation, and most likely not going to be happening in most recorded music but it does illustrate the point that having higher frequenies present can effect the audible spectrum.

And almost anybody with something like Adobe Audition can recreate this test rather quickly.
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- spodemaster   Extract and Archive DTS 96/24   Jun 3 2011, 06:25
- - DVDdoug   I assume the discs are not encrypted or you have d...   Jun 3 2011, 20:19
|- - spodemaster   QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jun 3 2011, 21:19) I ass...   Jun 4 2011, 05:30
- - A_Man_Eating_Duck   Maybe you need to have the ArcSoft DTS Decoder ins...   Jun 4 2011, 06:29
|- - spodemaster   QUOTE (A_Man_Eating_Duck @ Jun 4 2011, 07...   Jun 4 2011, 07:02
- - andy o   As far as I know, plenty of receivers are capable ...   Jun 4 2011, 10:12
- - andy o   So I tested it, and sure enough, I can decode it w...   Jun 4 2011, 10:34
|- - spodemaster   QUOTE (andy o @ Jun 4 2011, 11:34) So I t...   Jun 4 2011, 18:58
- - krabapple   foobar2000 can output a multichannel ac3/dts bitst...   Jun 4 2011, 19:15
|- - spodemaster   QUOTE (krabapple @ Jun 4 2011, 20:15) foo...   Jun 4 2011, 20:46
|- - greynol   QUOTE (spodemaster @ Jun 4 2011, 12:46) M...   Jun 5 2011, 01:09
|- - spodemaster   QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 5 2011, 01:09) QUOTE...   Jun 5 2011, 03:15
|- - dv1989   QUOTE (spodemaster @ Jun 5 2011, 03:15) Q...   Jun 5 2011, 15:34
|- - spodemaster   QUOTE (dv1989 @ Jun 5 2011, 15:34) QUOTE ...   Jun 5 2011, 21:09
|- - krabapple   To sort-of reiterate the thread topic, does anyone...   Jan 21 2013, 15:04
- - andy o   I'm pretty sure DTS 96/24 can do multichannel ...   Jun 5 2011, 00:04
|- - spodemaster   QUOTE (andy o @ Jun 5 2011, 00:04) I...   Jun 5 2011, 02:30
- - andy o   Your DVD-A player is not required to support it, b...   Jun 5 2011, 03:02
- - nifedipin   Hi! Try to extract dts with dvd audio extracto...   Jun 5 2011, 11:38
- - Engelsstaub   I would have thought DVDAE would do it. I guess it...   Jan 21 2013, 16:38
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Jan 21 2013, 11:38) ...   Jan 21 2013, 17:48
- - krabapple   Got if figured out now. Both DVDAE and Audiomuxer...   Jan 21 2013, 21:52
- - Engelsstaub   Well that is good to know. Thanks for getting to t...   Jan 21 2013, 22:59
- - andy o   A year late, but I'd like to point out that ap...   Mar 22 2014, 16:17
- - MarkerB   I'm so glad this thread put me on to the corre...   May 6 2014, 21:45
- - Octocontrabass   QUOTE (MarkerB @ May 6 2014, 13:45) eac3t...   May 7 2014, 09:21


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