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DrDoogie
post Apr 29 2003, 16:39
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I have a problem blink.gif .

EAC seems to have a problem reading cds with errors on 'em (that is 'errors' as in: "Step right up folks, *tap tap tap* come see the errors, an error for the fine lady Sir? You can never go wrong with an error my good lady, an error for every season and taste, an error a day keeps the sanity away is what I say"..., i.e. generic errors of any kind).

Just. So.

And how, then, can I be certain I've read the CD correctly? Notice the word 'certain', by the way. Sadly, few people seem to grasp the abstract meaning of the word, much the same way that the concepts 'accurate', 'precise', and 'reliable' seem to escape them.

So I throw my meager wits upon the mercy of the minds in this forum, in my pitifull plea for an injection of intelligible truth into my chaotic existence (ok, maybe the 'corny'-factor could be turned down a little, blink.gif , but my verbosity is great because my plight is in blight. Or something. ).
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DrDoogie
post Jun 5 2003, 13:39
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QUOTE ("Rock Oooooonnnnhng Dude")
DrDoogie, according to this table, your drive (with your reported firmware version) caches audio. Therefor, you MUST enable caching in EAC, otherwise you will get unreliable results.


No.
I must enable disabling of the audio cache.
I'm sure you will agree, having thought about it a bit.

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Also, as westgroveg mentioned before, to be safe you should also disable C2 reporting.


I don't really think so.
Please bear with me as I try to explain why.
If there is an unrecoverable, uncorrectable error(C2), the drive does two things, as I understand it (corrections to this understanding are welcome).
1. It reports the error.
2. It hiddes the error by pretending to perform a valid correction (muting, extrapolation etc.)

Not all drives report all errors, especially at high speeds and lots of errors (in my impression), which means that EAC can only (in my guess) compare results by reading several times, and assume that the result that rears its ugly head most often is most likely correct.
But there is, I believe the very real chance that the result will be "bogus-corrected" the same way lotsa times.
More to the point, when you have a C2 error you no longer have any way of finding out whether your result is correct or not ('cept by comparing with a known good rip, which I did for some CD's [and found that EAC can't do nuthin' 'bout the fact that there are errors encountered when reading: [i]This is a claim which I will not bother documenting. I have experienced it, good enough for me.])

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Please don't diss EAC like that when you haven't even configured EAC properly in the first place.

I have no interest in dissing EAC, as such. Please excuse me if my frustration got vented a bit too much. On the other hand, please don't post out of a fanboy-ish attitude.

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So according to you the CRC in RAM is the "magical" solution to all RAM problems. If only that were true... (there wouldn't be any bad RAM anymore, would there ?)


I do not believe I was quite that general... but to answer so that you can understand, bad RAM does not just affect ripping. Furthermore, EAC uses some 4MB when running, which according to the other programs you run, can be physically located anywhere on the ram-stick. Having ripped 100 (well, 250) cd's almost twice, I do not think that... oh, toss it.

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Don't diss tigre's comments if you don't really know what you're talking about yourself


Pooh-poo on your comments.
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- DrDoogie   The ONLY way to be guaranteed correct ripping?   Apr 29 2003, 16:39
- - _Shorty   www.accuraterip.com providing that two other peopl...   Apr 29 2003, 21:44
- - DrDoogie   Excellent, could be exactly what I am looking for...   Apr 30 2003, 11:49
- - Halcyon   There is no known way to be sure that you have 100...   Apr 30 2003, 12:09
- - liekloo   QUOTE (DrDoogie @ Apr 29 2003 - 04:39 PM)I ha...   Apr 30 2003, 22:35
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE There is no known way to be sure that you ha...   May 2 2003, 16:03
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE What exacty do you mean by "EAC has pro...   May 2 2003, 16:09
- - liekloo   QUOTE (Halcyon @ Apr 30 2003 - 12:09 PM)4) Ac...   May 2 2003, 16:15
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE Then, @ DrDoogie: it depends on how you defi...   May 2 2003, 16:30
- - liekloo   QUOTE No. It happily rips two different copies of ...   May 2 2003, 16:33
- - mrosscook   DrDoogie, Your flag says you are based in Iraq, a...   May 2 2003, 16:40
- - liekloo   *ROFL* The other day on this forum, I came across...   May 2 2003, 16:45
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE Ripping in Test&Copy mode and getting a ...   May 2 2003, 16:46
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE (mrosscook @ May 2 2003 - 07:40 AM)DrDo...   May 2 2003, 16:48
- - liekloo   QUOTE (DrDoogie @ above)I daresay it is you w...   May 2 2003, 16:56
- - DrDoogie   Forgive my slowness, but... QUOTE (liekloo ...   May 2 2003, 17:08
- - AstralStorm   After reading twice 1. Drive report a C1 error n ...   May 2 2003, 19:23
- - tigre   QUOTE (DrDoogie @ May 2 2003 - 07:03 AM)QUOTE...   May 2 2003, 21:50
- - liekloo   QUOTE (DrDoogie @ May 2 2003 - 05:08 PM)So it...   May 3 2003, 10:21
- - liekloo   Hope you find this info useful, DroDoogie More i...   May 3 2003, 10:24
- - spoon   QUOTE Well, actually errors 'always' (99.9...   May 3 2003, 11:23
- - AstralStorm   EAC presents such a number: (number of frames / nu...   May 3 2003, 11:48
- - liekloo   QUOTE (spoon @ May 3 2003 - 11:23 AM)QUOTE We...   May 3 2003, 14:05
- - Pio2001   Testing procedure by Tigre and further discussion ...   May 4 2003, 19:52
- - liekloo   Well... no more news from Dr.Doogie?   May 10 2003, 20:41
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE (liekloo @ May 10 2003 - 11:41 AM)Well....   May 15 2003, 17:32
- - ancl   QUOTE (DrDoogie @ May 15 2003 - 06:32 PM)* Re...   May 15 2003, 18:05
- - liekloo   QUOTE (DrDoogie @ May 15 2003 - 05:32 PM)I...   May 15 2003, 20:10
- - Pio2001   QUOTE (DrDoogie @ May 15 2003 - 07:32 PM)I ca...   May 15 2003, 21:20
- - westgroveg   QUOTE Would be good if Andre decided either to ope...   May 15 2003, 21:27
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE (liekloo @ May 15 2003 - 11:10 AM)QUOTE...   May 16 2003, 14:06
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE QUOTE Would be good if Andre decided either ...   May 16 2003, 14:11
- - Daybreak   Anyway, to return to the original topic, how do yo...   Jun 1 2003, 06:54
- - _Shorty   well, it gives you a crc after the rip is finished...   Jun 1 2003, 09:59
- - zack   One can conclude that CD's were not meant for ...   Jun 1 2003, 15:05
- - liekloo   QUOTE (Daybreak @ Jun 1 2003 - 06:54 AM)Anywa...   Jun 1 2003, 16:27
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE (liekloo @ Jun 1 2003 - 07:27 AM)QUOTE ...   Jun 3 2003, 13:39
- - liekloo   QUOTE (DrDoogie @ Jun 3 2003 - 01:39 PM)Um, w...   Jun 3 2003, 13:55
- - tigre   QUOTE (DrDoogie @ Jun 3 2003 - 04:39 AM)2. Ha...   Jun 3 2003, 14:04
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE (liekloo @ Jun 3 2003 - 04:55 AM)QUOTE ...   Jun 4 2003, 13:36
- - JeanLuc   @Doogie ... You are right about RAM ... bad RAM w...   Jun 4 2003, 14:48
- - PoisonDan   QUOTE (DrDoogie)EAC: constant speed of 8, disable ...   Jun 4 2003, 14:50
- - kdo   QUOTE DrDoogie, according to this table, your driv...   Jun 4 2003, 17:02
- - Pio2001   QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Jun 4 2003 - 04:48 PM)@Doogi...   Jun 4 2003, 18:39
- - Daybreak   QUOTE (liekloo @ Jun 1 2003 - 11:27 PM)QUOTE ...   Jun 4 2003, 19:44
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE ("Rock Oooooonnnnhng Dude")DrDoogi...   Jun 5 2003, 13:39
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE (kdo)We would also be very grateful, if you ...   Jun 5 2003, 14:32
- - kdo   QUOTE (DrDoogie)Um, chosen? No, I've been busy...   Jun 5 2003, 17:25
- - Pio2001   QUOTE "Never attribute to malice what simple ...   Jun 5 2003, 20:13
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE Personally, I never said that your results c...   Jun 6 2003, 12:48
- - PoisonDan   DrDoogie, First of all, I apologize for the tone ...   Jun 6 2003, 13:56
- - kdo   @ PoisonDan: First, to clarify EAC and caching is...   Jun 6 2003, 20:19
- - Pio2001   For the record, when the salesman tested my second...   Jun 6 2003, 20:36
- - Daybreak   Memtest86 for testing RAM. But IMHO, its highly ...   Jun 7 2003, 06:47
- - westgroveg   QUOTE We would also be very grateful, if you could...   Jun 7 2003, 07:30
- - DrDoogie   QUOTE (kdo)]What is rather surprising is the high ...   Jun 7 2003, 12:17
- - westgroveg   QUOTE Um... what exactly is it you want me to ...   Jun 7 2003, 12:38
- - Pio2001   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Jun 7 2003 - 09:30 AM)I w...   Jun 7 2003, 16:28
- - Pio2001   I've posted the queston in EAC's forum and...   Jun 7 2003, 17:14
- - kdo   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jun 7 2003 - 04:28 PM)If DrD...   Jun 7 2003, 22:19
- - Pio2001   I don't see any problem with DrDoogie's re...   Jun 8 2003, 00:13
- - liekloo   Exactly, that is the whole point. Rip in secure...   Jun 8 2003, 13:53
- - Pio2001   I'm talking about bad CDs (evenly scratched, o...   Jun 8 2003, 13:56
- - kdo   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jun 8 2003 - 12:13 AM)I don...   Jun 8 2003, 15:26
- - Pio2001   I don't know, I have no Plextor drive. (But I ...   Jun 8 2003, 23:41
- - westgroveg   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jun 9 2003 - 10:41 AM)I don...   Jun 9 2003, 00:23
- - DrDoogie   I forgot the somewhat long speculation I had writt...   Jun 10 2003, 11:50


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