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Quicktime TVBR vs Nero AAC
pgm86
post Jan 26 2011, 09:32
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hi guys, what's the general consensus between the two? which is better for encoding using vbr? thanks
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Steve Forte Rio
post Feb 25 2011, 23:01
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/mnt, have you tried this sample with qt aac?

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If not - try to encode it with qaac -V 127 -q2 and listen smile.gif

It looks like quicktime's vbr algoritm problem...

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- pgm86   Quicktime TVBR vs Nero AAC   Jan 26 2011, 09:32
- - kornchild2002   Well, the best way to answer that question would b...   Jan 26 2011, 11:21
- - Steve Forte Rio   (Sorry for my extremely bad English) In my opinio...   Jan 26 2011, 11:55
|- - Centauri   'Extremely bad English' I wish I could...   Jan 28 2011, 00:02
|- - Nowings69   QUOTE (Steve Forte Rio @ Jan 26 2011, 19...   Feb 8 2011, 14:06
- - pgm86   concerning about qt's dynamic range compressio...   Feb 5 2011, 07:16
- - SamDeRe81   Since I can use NeroAACEnc with foobar while apply...   Feb 7 2011, 03:54
- - lvqcl   You can use Quicktime AAC in foobar2000 too.   Feb 7 2011, 16:31
|- - SamDeRe81   QUOTE (lvqcl @ Feb 7 2011, 07:31) You can...   Feb 8 2011, 01:05
|- - list   QUOTE (SamDeRe81 @ Feb 7 2011, 21:05) QUO...   Feb 8 2011, 02:20
|- - greynol   QUOTE (list @ Feb 7 2011, 17:20) for me, ...   Feb 8 2011, 08:33
|- - punkrockdude   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 8 2011, 08:33) QUOTE...   Feb 8 2011, 15:00
||- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (punkrockdude @ Feb 8 2011, 07:00) ...   Feb 9 2011, 07:16
||- - list   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Feb 9 2011, 03:16)...   Feb 9 2011, 14:06
||- - punkrockdude   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Feb 9 2011, 07:16)...   Feb 9 2011, 22:54
|- - list   and what about qt CVBR mode?   Feb 8 2011, 15:13
- - Larson   there is also qaac that does the job http://sites...   Feb 8 2011, 07:34
- - list   Ok, here i took some samples at about 128 kbps ner...   Feb 8 2011, 15:26
|- - greynol   QUOTE (list @ Feb 8 2011, 06:26) www.medi...   Feb 9 2011, 19:23
- - SamDeRe81   Alright so you think if I encode to 190 AAC I shou...   Feb 8 2011, 20:22
|- - list   QUOTE (SamDeRe81 @ Feb 8 2011, 16:22) Alr...   Feb 8 2011, 21:40
- - dv1989   kc2002 just explained that any claim of difference...   Feb 9 2011, 14:11
|- - list   QUOTE (dv1989 @ Feb 9 2011, 10:11) expect...   Feb 9 2011, 14:29
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (list @ Feb 9 2011, 06:29) and i sa...   Feb 9 2011, 16:44
|- - list   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Feb 9 2011, 12:44)...   Feb 9 2011, 17:02
- - dv1989   You're missing the point. When you were compar...   Feb 9 2011, 14:38
- - kornchild2002   I really don't understand what you are saying ...   Feb 9 2011, 17:45
|- - list   sory, but i am new in here ^^ . I didn't know ...   Feb 9 2011, 19:12
- - list   sources+log www.mediafire.com/download.php?7xq5q...   Feb 9 2011, 19:31
- - greynol   Thanks. Are you able to ABX the QT version from t...   Feb 9 2011, 19:34
|- - list   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 9 2011, 15:34) Are y...   Feb 9 2011, 19:38
- - greynol   ABX is supposed to be performed between lossless a...   Feb 9 2011, 19:44
- - list   I tried abx to highlight the existing difference f...   Feb 9 2011, 20:07
- - greynol   It means you can distinguish one from the other. ...   Feb 9 2011, 20:17
- - IgorC   Hola, List. Try this http://ff123.net/abchr/abchr....   Feb 9 2011, 20:25
- - punkrockdude   I am going to try the classical piece some day but...   Feb 9 2011, 22:58
- - punkrockdude   I tried ogg vorbis which i favour and it was a lit...   Feb 9 2011, 23:14
- - punkrockdude   I now saw on the wiki site that 16 attempts is ...   Feb 9 2011, 23:22
- - dv1989   It'd be interesting to know if you can detect ...   Feb 9 2011, 23:26
|- - punkrockdude   QUOTE (dv1989 @ Feb 9 2011, 23:26) It...   Feb 9 2011, 23:29
- - list   I tried the same sample with QT at 192kbps and it ...   Feb 9 2011, 23:49
- - punkrockdude   Here is my ABX of the classical (ludwig piece). Wh...   Feb 10 2011, 00:04
- - punkrockdude   I did a second ABX of the classical (ludwig) piece...   Feb 10 2011, 00:20
- - C.R.Helmrich   Am I blind, or where did you and list get the prod...   Feb 10 2011, 00:35
|- - punkrockdude   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Feb 10 2011, 00:35)...   Feb 10 2011, 00:36
|- - punkrockdude   C.R.: Both files were included in the file that I ...   Feb 10 2011, 21:26
- - Martel   NeroAAC is still suffering from the bug I reported...   Feb 10 2011, 13:17
- - greynol   1) No one is being ridiculed. 2) It is readily ap...   Feb 10 2011, 19:31
- - C.R.Helmrich   Ah, thanks. By the way, since list supposedly ABXe...   Feb 10 2011, 22:59
- - 3biga   My choice is QT (--tvbr 120). Nero has good detail...   Feb 20 2011, 19:43
- - Larson   Mac OS X Lion beta has Quicktime 7.7.1, have to se...   Feb 25 2011, 13:36
- - /mnt   I find QuickTime to be pretty weak against sharp t...   Feb 25 2011, 21:51
- - Steve Forte Rio   /mnt, have you tried this sample with qt aac? bea...   Feb 25 2011, 23:01
|- - /mnt   QUOTE (Steve Forte Rio @ Feb 25 2011, 23...   Feb 26 2011, 02:09
||- - TechVsLife   QUOTE (/mnt @ Feb 25 2011, 20:09) It soun...   Feb 28 2011, 20:25
||- - TechVsLife   I also have a more general question, if this bug a...   Mar 3 2011, 19:35
|- - nu774   QUOTE (Steve Forte Rio @ Feb 26 2011, 07...   Apr 22 2011, 14:12
- - C.R.Helmrich   If space doesn't matter to you, then yes, CBR ...   Mar 4 2011, 11:01
|- - TechVsLife   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Mar 4 2011, 05:01) ...   Mar 4 2011, 21:58
- - SamDeRe81   =/ I want to re-encode my stuff but I think I...   Mar 4 2011, 15:48
|- - Larson   QUOTE (SamDeRe81 @ Mar 4 2011, 15:48) =/ ...   Mar 4 2011, 16:47
- - C.R.Helmrich   I agree with Larson. Start with some ABX test of, ...   Mar 4 2011, 20:27
|- - TechVsLife   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Mar 4 2011, 14:27) ...   Mar 4 2011, 22:06
|- - C.R.Helmrich   QUOTE (TechVsLife @ Mar 4 2011, 23:06) QU...   Mar 5 2011, 01:26
- - Wombat   I am able to abx "some" of the stuff /nm...   Mar 5 2011, 01:57
|- - TechVsLife   QUOTE (Wombat @ Mar 4 2011, 19:57) But it...   Mar 5 2011, 20:44
|- - TechVsLife   I also wonder if (like CBR 256) quicktime ABR 256 ...   Mar 6 2011, 05:23
- - Brand   I did some quick ABXing and I wasn't too impre...   Dec 4 2011, 14:08
- - ShotCaller   This is QT TVBR q82, which is the closest in bitra...   Dec 4 2011, 21:10
- - Brand   Thanks! The file is smaller than I expected, ...   Dec 5 2011, 00:44
- - ShotCaller   Sure, this is q91. Bitrate is 178kbps average and ...   Dec 5 2011, 01:06
- - Brand   Thanks. I could still ABX that without too much di...   Dec 5 2011, 11:17
|- - eahm   QUOTE (Brand @ Dec 5 2011, 03:17) Thanks....   Oct 24 2012, 19:21
- - Brand   The ABX log regarding what specifically? Anyway, ...   Oct 25 2012, 11:38


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