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"Band on the Run" unlimited remaster, "retains the dynamic range of the original master recording"
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post Nov 10 2010, 11:22
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The anti "loudness race" trend continues...

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The audio industry has seen many technical innovations since Band on the Run was first released on vinyl in 1973, the most notable being digital recording. However, with the introduction of CD came two advances, “de-noising” and “peak limiting” which have become increasingly unpopular within certain areas of the music industry and amongst audiophiles.

De-noising was introduced to remove the inherent sound, or hiss, associated with analogue tape. The amount of processing used to remove tape noise can be varied, but when used excessively, many believe that it also has a detrimental effect on elements of the musical sound.

Peak limiting is a process that increases the loudness of music. It is achieved by holding the loudest peaks down and raising the overall level of the music. Much depends on the amount of limiting applied, but at its most extreme the result can be a serious reduction in the dynamic range and often audible distortion.

The release of The Beatles’ remasters in 2009 saw a marked change in attitudes towards these issues, where both noise reduction and limiting were used sparingly with the aim of representing the master tapes more accurately. Such is the case with the newly remastered CD of Band on the Run: tape noise reduction has scarcely been used and the degree of limiting is subtle. In addition digital technology has advanced with the ability now to offer recordings in 24 bit/96kHz. The high resolution version is being made available via download and is being offered in two formats: limited, which is comparable in volume to the remastered CD, and un-limited, which in comparison with the limited version will sound quieter, but retain the dynamic range of the original master recording.


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They're "only" charging an extra 3 / $5 above the comparable "CD" download, though you have no option but to pay for the 9 extra bonus tracks if you want hi-res.

If you just want the normal album, you're paying double to get hi-res (limited or unlimited version).

9-track "CD" download: 6 / $9
18-track "CD" download: 10 / $15
Hi-Res download: 13 / $20
Both Hi-Res downloads: 23 / $36

From here:
http://www.paulmccartney.com/bandontherun/

Cheers,
David.

P.S. I haven't heard it. It's a shame it's not on Spotify! (The recent John Lennon releases are).

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post Nov 10 2010, 15:30
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I don't see this as something to complain about. They're charging a premium price for dynamic range. This sends the message that dynamic range is valuable and loudness is not. I think it is a promising development.
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post Nov 11 2010, 11:19
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QUOTE (Notat @ Nov 10 2010, 14:30) *
I don't see this as something to complain about.
I wasn't complaining.


As for whether it's a good thing or a bad thing - well, certainly compared with just releasing a smashed CD master, it's a good thing. No argument.


I'm guessing that most people here would like the standard version of all releases to have reasonable dynamic range. Back to the early/mid 1990s in that respect I suppose.

I'm also guessing that having to pay extra, and having it targeted at the ill-informed audiophile market, makes most people here uncomfortable. Audiophile reviewers say some criminally stupid things - they could kill the commercial viability of a worthy release in a single phrase, and (even more likely) praise a "claimed" superior release which wasn't superior at all - making record companies realise that they can just release the same thing twice. Like the Beatles USB apple. And make lots of money for zero effort, while giving nothing of actual benefit.


For an album that I really wanted to buy, I'd probably buy the complete package (limited and unlimited). Certainly there are plenty of CDs in my collection from the last decade that I would re-buy if they were made available without the clipression. The price can't get stupid though. We can all use Spotify in our house (OK, my four year old daughter needs a little help, but my six year old son is perfectly capable) so even the idea of paying money for a CD seems a little strange to the rest of the family - 24 for a digital copy of some music we already own?! That's hard to justify when I can think of at least 10 CDs (which probably cost 5.99 from CDwow when new) which I'd replace.

I guess what I'm saying is that since most of the intended audience have already paid for the music once or even twice, they should probably find a cheaper way of letting this stuff out in its new glory.

There's an obvious way IMO: The expensive 24/96 unlimited FLAC for the audiophiles, and the far less expensive 44.1/16 unlimited FLAC or mp3 for people who know about good sound, but don't use oxygen-free listening rooms.

Cheers,
David.

P.S. I would love to start a legal discussion about whether copying release X of something you already own in release Y counts as copyright infringement, if there is no copyrightable difference between the two releases. Copyright only applies to creative endeavours, not technical ones. Pressing play on a 2" tape deck and record in Pro Tools does not create a new copyright, whatever most record companies would want to you believe. (No noise probably doesn't count either, but EQ may, reverb probably does, and remixing from a multi-track certainly does). However, under UK law any copying counts as copyright infringement (even copy from "my CD" to "my mp3" and from "my mp3" to "my iPod"), so it's impossible to have a sane discussion about this here.

P.P.S. I've gone all negative again now - but I'm really pleased that these releases are coming out - and whatever the price, I'd like to see more. At least if they're available, we can have an intelligent discussion about their merits!

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- 2Bdecided   "Band on the Run" unlimited remaster   Nov 10 2010, 11:22
- - Notat   I don't see this as something to complain abou...   Nov 10 2010, 15:30
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Notat @ Nov 10 2010, 14:30) I don...   Nov 11 2010, 11:19
- - AndyH-ha   It's hard to see how the selling prices are re...   Nov 10 2010, 22:19
|- - dhromed   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Nov 10 2010, 22:19...   Nov 10 2010, 22:29
|- - Soap   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Nov 10 2010, 16:19...   Nov 10 2010, 22:32
- - AndyH-ha   I don't question a sellers right to price his ...   Nov 10 2010, 22:39
- - Canar   While your point is very valid, Andy, Notat's ...   Nov 10 2010, 23:02
- - greynol   I understand the concept, but I don't think it...   Nov 10 2010, 23:08
|- - DVDdoug   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 10 2010, 14:08) I do...   Nov 10 2010, 23:33
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 10 2010, 23:08) I un...   Nov 15 2010, 05:03
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Porcus @ Nov 14 2010, 20:03) On th...   Nov 15 2010, 10:13
- - mixminus1   Also, if I'm reading the website correctly, on...   Nov 10 2010, 23:26
- - Teknojnky   I have to agree with greynol, this simply re-enfor...   Nov 10 2010, 23:26
- - Fandango   I'm wondering how this can actually turn the t...   Nov 10 2010, 23:56
|- - Josh358   QUOTE (Fandango @ Nov 10 2010, 17:56) I...   Nov 11 2010, 00:50
- - BearcatSandor   Also, the $30 price will further encourage pe...   Nov 11 2010, 02:27
- - JSW   I actually did pay $20 for the 24/96 "un...   Nov 11 2010, 02:35
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (JSW @ Nov 11 2010, 01:35) I actual...   Nov 11 2010, 11:33
- - Meeko   Wow...talk about choices. I'm not positive an...   Nov 11 2010, 14:46
- - zipr   What a confusing mess of a page that is! I won...   Nov 11 2010, 15:06
- - ramicio   I procured the unlimited version. Sounds nice. I...   Nov 11 2010, 16:33
- - BearcatSandor   There's something i don't get about this t...   Nov 11 2010, 16:52
|- - Josh358   QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Nov 11 2010, 10:52...   Nov 11 2010, 23:30
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Nov 11 2010, 10:52...   Nov 12 2010, 15:22
|- - BearcatSandor   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Nov 12 2010, 07...   Nov 12 2010, 17:21
|- - greynol   QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Nov 12 2010, 08:21...   Nov 13 2010, 00:33
- - 2Bdecided   I agree. All of which makes it surprising that th...   Nov 12 2010, 11:04
|- - Josh358   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 12 2010, 05:04) I ...   Nov 12 2010, 19:48
- - Brand   I really like seeing major labels openly mention t...   Nov 12 2010, 13:19
- - ron spencer   I bought this...sounds nice. Price is good given ...   Nov 12 2010, 15:49
- - Wombat   I know this recording from back in the 70s and won...   Nov 12 2010, 16:15
|- - Josh358   QUOTE (Wombat @ Nov 12 2010, 10:15) I kno...   Nov 12 2010, 19:56
- - Wombat   QUOTE (Josh358 @ Nov 12 2010, 20:56) I su...   Nov 12 2010, 20:06
- - Batman321   I bought it, very nice sound. I converted these ...   Nov 12 2010, 20:25
- - jimmanningjr   I just got my hands on these 96/24 files of BOTR. ...   Nov 13 2010, 04:19
|- - Canar   QUOTE (jimmanningjr @ Nov 12 2010, 23:19)...   Nov 13 2010, 21:08
- - Brand   I got my hands on those as well (both limited and ...   Nov 13 2010, 21:06
- - jimmanningjr   Nice and Short Thanks   Nov 13 2010, 21:27
|- - Canar   QUOTE (jimmanningjr @ Nov 13 2010, 16:27)...   Nov 13 2010, 21:41
|- - jimmanningjr   You know I have had my doubts...that 16 bit was go...   Nov 13 2010, 23:04
|- - Josh358   QUOTE (jimmanningjr @ Nov 13 2010, 17:04)...   Nov 15 2010, 01:51
- - emte   I, unfortunately, must agree with the post above. ...   Nov 13 2010, 23:43
|- - jimmanningjr   Wondering if with the proper playback equipment if...   Nov 14 2010, 06:48
- - krabapple   You shouldn't expect an audible difference due...   Nov 14 2010, 08:52
- - greynol   I am not so sure that sensitivity/acuity to bit-de...   Nov 14 2010, 09:19
- - emte   I'm 22 and I have never noticed any audible di...   Nov 14 2010, 10:41
- - Brand   IMO there's no way there could be an audible d...   Nov 14 2010, 11:48
- - C.R.Helmrich   I'd probably take the limited version, because...   Nov 14 2010, 16:39
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Nov 14 2010, 15:39)...   Nov 15 2010, 13:41
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 15 2010, 07:41) bt...   Nov 15 2010, 14:26
- - greynol   It's quite possible that the differences heard...   Nov 15 2010, 02:09
|- - Josh358   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 14 2010, 20:09) It...   Nov 15 2010, 19:19
- - greynol   Certainly, which is why have foobar2000 configured...   Nov 15 2010, 19:22


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